| Chazore said: I was raised by my mother to see everyone as equals, and to not wish for any group to be segregated. What this DEI shit is doing is the complete opposite. When you start barring certain walks of colour from being able to apply for a job or a voice acting role, that's not equality, that's equity and that's just bad. Same goes for hiring people only based on their religion or their gender, that again isn't equality, that's just picking and choosing based on check-marking selection bias. For years I have considered myself a part of that community, but in the past 5-6 years I've been feeling more estranged by the day, simply because I'm not fully alt leaning, and I disagree with that mob mentality, because it's not even trying to foster equality, but another kind of hatred, and that's not what LGBT is about, it's about loving one another, being accepting, not being selective, using movements as weapons to silence others. I've personally been called the F word multiple times, but I don't let that hurt me, because I don't see there being anything wrong with me liking guys and gals. I have noticed over time that people have been hijacking the Trans movement to try making "femboy" a slur, when it's not, it's literally how I appear as (I inherited my mother's hips and slimline legs and cushy butt, with a youthful look, that's just how I am). The fact some ppl use that movement to try turning femboys into "oh they're coming out as Trans" scenarios is what disgusts me, because there are some Bi and gay guys that like being a femboy and there's fuck all wrong with that. When you have people assuming there is no hijacking, no nasty shit going on behind the scenes, I just think "wow, they're either defending the bad actors in bad faith, or they just don't care to look around and notice the signs). Hell, one of the original founders of LGBT doesn't like how what he originally founded for love and acceptance, has instead been hijacked and made all about certain parts of the LGBT, not everyone, and I totally understand him on that. Despite not having played all the DA games, I have seen some of the romance options in the previous games and can agree. I also liked back then you strictly had characters that were gay, and couldn't be outright romanced by someone non gay. Now with the new game it's just "everyone's gonna bang one another because everyone's pan now"?. Also thank you again for saying this. I feel it needs to be said, because me and my partner have been feeling that way for some time now (not feeling like we're included in the group). I'm glad we're not the only ones who feel that vibe. See Pem?, it's not so hard to understand. Poko gets it, I get it, others in here get it. Like Poko said, we don't fucking need to be sat down like a toddler and educated on how to interact/treat other walks of life, most of us know this. It's insulting and degrading the way that we've gone from having games that featured black characters, gay characters, flamboyant ones, ones that were accepted before in the past, to a point now where the game has to only market those points as if they are the main game, when they were already accepted years ago. I'm seeing black folk speak out against the same shit, the same crap that gets peddled to them, and even they don't like it, because it's DEGRADING (especially when it's a White writer who barely knows fuck all, and just assumes every Black person has the same fucking haircut or talks in the same manner). The people I know, be they black, Trans or Gay, they just want to be treated like normal human beings, not treated as some separate special group or propped up like some gimmick marketing ploy (which is what we're seeing a lot of these days and folks are getting sick of it). Diversity is something that needs to naturally/organically progress, not be forced, because that almost always gets met with backlash/kickback. |
"I disagree with that mob mentality, because it's not even trying to foster equality, but another kind of hatred"
The irony is that you are in fact part of a mob which is why you were for so long stuck on the topic of minority representation as opposed to touching any of the actual angles that are truly informing the quality of the game and its overall writing.... Instead salivating on a few select exchanges with one character in a 50hour RPG. You were obsessed only with how it navigates minority circles, being "bi" does not negate you from this bias. Especially since the most provocative issue is a character being non-binary and giving trans options for the player, I presume you are not trans or non-binary? You spoke of radicalisation in an earlier post completely unaware of the fact you yourself sound like you're becoming radicalised.
We can't act like the game in question is fostering any kind of hate or allude to it promoting extreme hiring policies which exclude entire races/demographics of people, so why force those talking points here? This is all really extreme hyperbole that you're projecting onto this review thread and forcing onto this game. Those wider frustrations you have deserve their own discussion and threads.
"we don't fucking need to be sat down like a toddler and educated on how to interact/treat other walks of life" What I find funny is that in the clip that is doing the rounds where the character apologises for misgendering someone, literally 3 seconds is spent on topic of gender, the rest is spent on them dissecting their unique cultural approach to sincere apology. That is world building but people can't get past the reason why they're apologising...
"The people I know, be they black, Trans or Gay, they just want to be treated like normal human beings, not treated as some separate special group or propped up like some gimmick marketing ploy"
It's totally fair to see a topic and feel that it doesn't feel authentic to the world the game is set, its fine to think the a piece of dialogue felt awkard or forced ... But to characterise anything close to DEI as some sinister corporate agenda, that is when you are being part of the "mob". For one give the developer some agency to have their own vision. It's not like EA forced their last star wars game to have some queer angle. If this is what felt interesting to Bioware let them touch on it. I've yet to see any content from the game which represents the aforementioned minority groups as marketing ploys or gimmicks. If a character can have a narrative arc about unrequited love, being rejected form their clan etc, then another can have one about struggling with their identity. It is a double standard to permit only the human experiences which feel relatable to you.
Lastly I do want to reflect on this "trend" of classical fantasy worlds reflecting the make up of the present world. This is not going to change. Fantasy was always born as a mirror for worlds in which people lived in and modern worlds are multicultural. Unless there is source material to dictate otherwise, there is no reason to see diversity as anything other than a normal interpretation of said fantasy world. I do of course want writers/developers to be consistent and athentic with world building in most material. For example I don't expect there to be black Elves if the elves are themselves not of human skin tone... But if the elf is just a white man with pointy ears, there can absolutely be a black/asian subgroups of that. Same with Dwafts etc. Tokenism is real, so I don't want to pretend I don't see you point at all.
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