LegitHyperbole said:
No, that's not my suggestion and I'm not playing armchair general with this. I just want the conflict to end, Idk at what cost personally but for conflicts to end consessions have to be made on both sides. We know the conflict will come to an end and there will be no clear winner so right now it's only prolonging suffering. If putins as mad ad they say he is and as stubborn as he appears to be what's to stop him gambling on a tactical nuke to avoid loosing. Fuck that. It took decades of killing and suffering here in Ireland over a damn swath of land before we came to some type of resolution, what was it all for when it could have all been avoided had it been easily predicted that there would be no clear winner and consessions would eventually have to be made. I just say find a way to cut it out now without more killing or desperate move from Putin like gambling that a tactical nuke will not start global nuclear war and if he does gamble on that he could well be right. |
"You can tell Putin would leave the war if he had a chance to do so and look good in the process, like keep parts of Eastern Ukraine"
That literally was your suggestion, to let Putin keep parts of Eastern Ukraine, therefore rewarding him for his genocidal conquest.
If you want the war to end quicker than you should be supporting increased military assistance and less restrictions, unless you want the war to end quicker no matter what, in which case, that would be stopping military support to Ukraine and letting Russia slaughter them and take over the entire country. So which is it, do you want the war to end with a just victory to Ukraine or do you just want the war to end?
Why the fuck should Ukraine have to concede to anything? Have you asked them if they want to concede to anything? Ukraine is the victim here and you're telling the victim they should be forced to settle and reward the enemy. How can you tell those soldiers that they fought for nothing? The families of the dead soldiers that they died for nothing? Because we're giving it to Russia, their land they fought for.
"If Putins as mad ad they say he is and as stubborn as he appears to be what's to stop him gambling on a tactical nuke to avoid loosing."
Russia's Red Lines in The Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia
China's Final Warning - Wikipedia
This list isn't even everything.
Sometimes, a cornered rat is just a cornered rat. And when faced with a superior and committed adversary, it will simply scurry away.
As Russia has demonstrated repeatedly, we've broken multiple of their "red-lines" and they did nothing in response despite their threats, Prigozhin marched on Moscow and Putin fled to St Petersburg and made a deal with him. You know why this is? Because Putin does not want to die, Russia won't use nukes because nobody wins in a nuclear war and not even China would have their back anymore.
You made no comment on my hypothetical and also how placating never works.
