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JWeinCom on 18 September 2024
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JWeinCom said:
chakkra said:

Huh.. that's.. interesting. Seems like Steam page doesn't update at the same time for everybody.

But anyways, I'll give you that one; it would be pointless to argue something where we don't have the same data.

As per your second point.. So I guess your whole argument is that Helldivers 2 had a smaller dropoff, therefore that makes it more successful because it was never that big to begin with?

But... It doesn't really matter if it updates at different times? I mean, the point was that they'd both been in the top 100 for the same length of time. The exact place it is at the moment is irrelevant. If you scrolled down further, you'd see Helldivers, or you can look at the weekly data which is static. If you did either of those very easy things, you'd see that Helldivers has indeed been on the list for 29 weeks as of now. It is not pointless to argue about it because we don't have the same data, it's just pointless for you to argue because it's an easily verifiable fact.

And no, I am not arguing Helldivers 2 is more successful. I'm arguing that its success is more surprising. Because... that's what the thread is about... 

Based on the "it's Pokemon with guns" thing, I would expect a lot of people check out Palworld, and then for it to lose the bulk of its playerbase, or fizzle out, quickly unless it was better than it appeared at first glance. Seeing as Palworld did about what I expected, Helldiver's success was more surprising.

You objected to that because you didn't think Palworld "started out strong and fizzled out quickly". So, what we were debating, as I have pointed out several times, is whether Palworld indeed did fizzle out quickly. That's where the difference between its peak and its current amount of users is relevant. Because, that's what fizzling out quickly means, losing a lot of players over a short period of time.

Helldivers 2 is not directly relevant to that point, as I pointed out several times, but since they launched around the same time and both started high on the charts, it is probably the best available comparison. When we compare them, we see that despite Palworld starting with about 5 times as many users, but by two months in, it had half as many players as Helldivers. And it stayed about half of what Helldivers 2 was doing until its update, where it briefly took a lead that it has already lost. Based on this, or just looking at the Palworld's user base or sales figures trends in isolation, it is pretty clear that Palworld fizzled out quickly. 

Since Nintendo suing has reminded me of Palworld's existence lets see how things are going. Sorting by current players.

17. HELLDIVERS™ 2 49,707 68,380 458,709

Helldivers at #17. Ok, that's pretty respectable. Let me look above it to see if Palworld is doing better. 

Hmmmm... Not in the top 20. Lets check the top 40. Nope...

Top 50? Don't see it... Must be in the top 70 at least... 

No... Ah I see it! HELLO DOWN THERE!

74. Palworld 12,452 26,734 2,101,867

So, Helldivers still has about the same playerbase as it did about a month ago, a little higher actually I think, while Palworld has lost at least half. Also now far behind in 24H peak and 30 day average. Maybe it will get a bit of a boost out of the lawsuit. Don't like saying I was right, but someone has to.  

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 18 September 2024