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chakkra said:
JWeinCom said:

16 now. Palworld at 85.

While I have my snipping tool out, here is a visualization of the player bases for Palworld and Helldivers

The line that starts really high, then goes down really quick is Palworld. Not sure how one can deny that its fall from popularity was quite rapid. 

As a small correction, they did not launch the same week. But, Helldivers preorders apparently started charting the week that Palworld was released. 

Huh.. that's.. interesting. Seems like Steam page doesn't update at the same time for everybody.

But anyways, I'll give you that one; it would be pointless to argue something where we don't have the same data.

As per your second point.. So I guess your whole argument is that Helldivers 2 had a smaller dropoff, therefore that makes it more successful because it was never that big to begin with?

But... It doesn't really matter if it updates at different times? I mean, the point was that they'd both been in the top 100 for the same length of time. The exact place it is at the moment is irrelevant. If you scrolled down further, you'd see Helldivers, or you can look at the weekly data which is static. If you did either of those very easy things, you'd see that Helldivers has indeed been on the list for 29 weeks as of now. It is not pointless to argue about it because we don't have the same data, it's just pointless for you to argue because it's an easily verifiable fact.

And no, I am not arguing Helldivers 2 is more successful. I'm arguing that its success is more surprising. Because... that's what the thread is about... 

Based on the "it's Pokemon with guns" thing, I would expect a lot of people check out Palworld, and then for it to lose the bulk of its playerbase, or fizzle out, quickly unless it was better than it appeared at first glance. Seeing as Palworld did about what I expected, Helldiver's success was more surprising.

You objected to that because you didn't think Palworld "started out strong and fizzled out quickly". So, what we were debating, as I have pointed out several times, is whether Palworld indeed did fizzle out quickly. That's where the difference between its peak and its current amount of users is relevant. Because, that's what fizzling out quickly means, losing a lot of players over a short period of time.

Helldivers 2 is not directly relevant to that point, as I pointed out several times, but since they launched around the same time and both started high on the charts, it is probably the best available comparison. When we compare them, we see that despite Palworld starting with about 5 times as many users, but by two months in, it had half as many players as Helldivers. And it stayed about half of what Helldivers 2 was doing until its update, where it briefly took a lead that it has already lost. Based on this, or just looking at the Palworld's user base or sales figures trends in isolation, it is pretty clear that Palworld fizzled out quickly. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 13 August 2024