2024 US Presidential Election

[Torillian]

IkePoR said:

JWeinCom said:

 It's like if you were at a restaurant and you had to eat one of two sandwiches. The waiter tells you sandwich A is covered in arsenic and sandwich B does not contain any lethal or dangerous poisons. Naturally, people with common sense will choose sandwich B, without having to know anything more.

Then someone comes along and says, "Wow, I can't believe all of these people are eating sandwich B. They don't even know what kind of cheese is on sandwich B or how many calories are in it. Sociologists should really study why all of these people are eating sandwich B. Der her her."

Not that I couldn't point to specific policies I approve of, which I might do if you could point all of Trump's great policies, but the fact that Trump tried to end democracy in America is a pretty damn good reason to vote for a candidate who has not tried to end American democracy (and also he promotes racist conspiracy theories, joked about how Epstein who is a great guy according to Trump likes women on the young side, was found liable for sexual assault and subsequent defamation of his victim, is a convicted felon, shared classified US documents, is a pathological liar, etc etc). Please explain the flaw in that viewpoint. 

Torillian said:

When you have a choice between two options then it is perfectly reasonable to make your choice based on avoiding the more poor option. If you want me to go over what I like about progressive policies: I'm voting Kamala so that if someone leaves the supreme court a progressive is there to pick a replacement, I'm also voting for someone that will push for abortion rights on the federal stage and wants to continue Biden's work on student loan restructuring like the SAVE plan. When the choice is between a threat to democracy and a standard politician who largely agrees with my left leaning point of view then the choice is crazy simple. 

Hey Weincom look, someone else who hates sandwich A talking about sandwich A!  Again!  At least they actually shared some policy this time.

So 1. the potential for a progressive supreme court, 2. federal abortion rights and 3. IDRs. In other words - control, hedonism and free stuff.  Doesn't sound very American to me but I'm digressing.

1. Is there hard evidence to a better country under a progressive ruling supreme court? Compared to what?

2. Why ought we prescribe federal abortion freedom when America is far below replacement rate?

3. At what cost?  Is there a number on the lack of accountability?

Asking for specific policies so that you can be snippy and dismissive about it. Wow.....shocker. 

1. More progressive supreme court tends to do things I agree with. For instance the progressives were against presidential criminal immunity and would have left roe v wade in tact. 

2. I value freedom over natalism. Just like I think it's ok that people can use contraception even if we're far below replacement rate. You want people to have more kids figure out how to convince them to do so other than taking away their freedom to not have them. 

3. I specified the SAVE plan. Google it and we can talk about it. Save me the platitudes. 

Any policies on the other end you like or is this just a way for you to be shitty about what other people are trying to accomplish?

Also, you mention "no moral reasoning for their candidate". What do you call saying that the other person is immoral so you want Kamala? Sounds like moral reasoning to me. One can hate Trump and still have perfectly valid reasons not to want him to be president again outside of that hatred. Like that he tried to ignore the results of the 2020 election and stay in power anyway. Can you pretend for a second you actually give a shit about any of these discussions and contend with what Trump did connected to Jan 6th? Why isn't that a good enough reason not to want to vote for him even if the price of grapes is higher? 

Last edited by Torillian - on 14 September 2024