Ryuu96 said:
Of course Russia isn't giving back the land they stolen willingly, that's why we need to help Ukraine to force them to give it back. It's not the most realistic outcome, it's far too early to make predictions like this, Russia was in Afghanistan for 10 years before pulling out. Wars last a long time and things can change at the drop of a hat. Don't underestimate Ukraine as many have done multiple times in the past during this war. Again, wars last a long time, we need to do everything we can to give Ukraine a bigger advantage.
As long as Ukraine continues to fight then we should continue to support them and Russia should not be rewarded with 20% of a country, what message does that send to every other country in the world that wants to do a land-grab? What message does that send to America's allies? What message does that send to Russia? And it's utter horseshit to say that Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to join NATO or EU afterwards, that's bullshit, Ukraine is an independent country that makes its own damn decisions. This defeatist attitude is exactly what Russia hopes for because then they are rewarded for their genocidal campaign against Ukraine. I'd say though, it's one thing to believe this may be the eventual outcome, it's another thing to say out loud "Lets reward Russia for their slaughter with 20% of a country then force said country to be defenceless afterwards" while said country is still fighting for its life. Ukraine surrenders when it chooses, not when America chooses. And Russia will just invade for the rest of Ukraine in the future when you ban them from joining any defensive alliances. You're sending a pretty clear message to your allies that America won't do shit to defend them the moment things get even slightly uncomfortable for you. Bye bye Taiwan. Bye bye South Korea. Bye bye Europe. Let the dictators of the world have their way with you because we've decided to become isolationists. How would you feel if Russia invaded America, your own state, slaughtered half your family, then some twats in Europe was telling America to surrender "for peace" and let Russia get away with the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Americans because we're upset about sending America financial aid? How would you feel when Europe tells America to give up 20% of its country to Russia? Then we kick you out of NATO. We in Europe do not like surrendering to fucking Nazis. |
Ukraine isnt Afghanistan. It means more to Russian history and how close it is makes it easy to annex. Look at Crimea Russia really stole that not too long ago. I 100% support Ukraine but this is war and if a deal were to happen I dont see anyway Russia isnt getting more land.
Were not going into World War 3 theres going to be limits to how much the West gets involved and continue to support Ukraine in this. And Russia has nuclear weapon as a last resort if the war goes on too long and they want to stop it.
Taiwan and SK are different because we already have troops there ready to go and America has made it clear those are wars they are willing to get directly involved in. With Ukraine its been clear that the most we're going to do is supply and train and not do fighting ourselves.
Last edited by jason1637 - on 12 September 2024
