jason1637 said:
Honestly this is probably the most realistic outcome. Russia isnt giving back the land if were being honest. |
Of course Russia isn't giving back the land they stolen willingly, that's why we need to help Ukraine to force them to give it back.
It's not the most realistic outcome, it's far too early to make predictions like this, Russia was in Afghanistan for 10 years before pulling out. Wars last a long time and things can change at the drop of a hat. Don't underestimate Ukraine as many have done multiple times in the past during this war. Again, wars last a long time, we need to do everything we can to give Ukraine a bigger advantage.
- It was expected that Ukraine would fall in 3 days, the full-scale war has now been going on for over 2 years.
- It was said that Ukraine wouldn't be able to take back land, Russia was forced to withdraw from Kyiv, Sumy.
- It wasn't expected that Ukraine could take back Kherson and Kharkiv, they did.
- It wasn't expected that Ukraine could do a uno-reverso on Russia and take land from Russia, they have.
As long as Ukraine continues to fight then we should continue to support them and Russia should not be rewarded with 20% of a country, what message does that send to every other country in the world that wants to do a land-grab? What message does that send to America's allies? What message does that send to Russia? And it's utter horseshit to say that Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to join NATO or EU afterwards, that's bullshit, Ukraine is an independent country that makes its own damn decisions.
This defeatist attitude is exactly what Russia hopes for because then they are rewarded for their genocidal campaign against Ukraine. I'd say though, it's one thing to believe this may be the eventual outcome, it's another thing to say out loud "Lets reward Russia for their slaughter with 20% of a country then force said country to be defenceless afterwards" while said country is still fighting for its life. Ukraine surrenders when it chooses, not when America chooses.
And Russia will just invade for the rest of Ukraine in the future when you ban them from joining any defensive alliances.
You're sending a pretty clear message to your allies that America won't do shit to defend them the moment things get even slightly uncomfortable for you. Bye bye Taiwan. Bye bye South Korea. Bye bye Europe. Let the dictators of the world have their way with you because we've decided to become isolationists.
How would you feel if Russia invaded America, your own state, slaughtered half your family, then some twats in Europe was telling America to surrender "for peace" and let Russia get away with the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Americans because we're upset about sending America financial aid? How would you feel when Europe tells America to give up 20% of its country to Russia? Then we kick you out of NATO.
We in Europe do not like surrendering to fucking Nazis.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 12 September 2024
