Pemalite said:
LegitHyperbole said:
The original Wind waker still looks good, proving artstyle is as important as being technically impressive.
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Wind Waker is technically impressive for the era it released in. Again... This is why subjectivity is bullshit.
Wind Waker leveraged compound sine curves to replicate the rising/falling of the waves... The Oceans geometry doesn't shift with the boat, instead it shifts with the texture and plane.
The fire in the game uses quads, but will scale and rotate depending on what's occurring on screen, today we would use hardware geometry instancing to achieve it, but the gamecube lacked that modern hardware functionality.
Or aspects like haze looks like it's being done on a fragment shader, but the gamecube also lacks that hardware, instead they used quads, which the gamecube hardware is extremely proficient at managing... One quad is a copy of the frame with a deformation texture applied.
The wind "lines" or effects are actually real geometry, modern hardware would use Geometry shaders to achieve the effect, but on the Cube they just manipulated the vertices.
It was a very technically impressive game for the era... Yes it was obfuscated with art, but again... Art doesn't hide proficient technical achievements if you know what to look for.
zeldaring said:
So if i see a game that looks like it has amazing gameplay how the heck am i suppose to describe it? when i say it looks to be true nextgen game i'm talking about every aspect of the game, from the artistic beautiful graphics, to the animation and the gameplay variety it does look like a huge step up in those aspects.
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Start learning how the rendering is being achieved to give you an understanding of -why- it's impressive... That way you won't make arbitrary claims which are not based on facts.
We already have Unreal Engine 5 games with Lumen and Nanite, this game isn't a "next gen" game over those.
zeldaring said:
No one is holding there views on a pedestal. They are the biggest gaming forum, and i use them to show that there is a lot of people that agree with me. when it's the same 3-4 people here all the time trying to say i'm wrong, and acting like my opinion is something no one agrees with. It's the samething with beyond3d the most famous tech forum for ages i made a thread and guess what most agreed wiiu was infact weaker.
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Have you thought that maybe those 3-4 people are saying you are wrong... Because... Well... You are?
Resetera is also -not- the biggest gaming forum, so I thought I would call you out on your latest false assertion.
Steam forums are far far far larger.
IGN boards are larger.
Neogaf, Gamespot, Reddit, Gamefaq also have larger user bases.
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Have you ever thought why hundreds of people say you're wrong.. well because you are ? There is much bigger world then the 3-4 people in this forum that agree with you and they mostly agree with me but i'm more open minded and understand it's subjective. Maybe stop trying to be the police of graphics discussion, and stating your opinion as fact? You are not a super computer which knows which games is techically is more demanding on a hardware. This has been stated time and time again by developers but you continue to ignore it. Just a simple example how the do you compare something like BOTW and zelda link awaking you can't just look at one and say one is more demanding then the other as fact. you name all these graphical tech in game but just a game going for a high rosolution, detail and npc's on screen can be more demanding and over load the GPU. how about we compare GTA6 vs hell blade 2 i know your gonna tell me that hell balde is more technically impressive right? try to see things from other POV instead of yours, where you only care what rendering methods its using.
I Could also add neogaf and RDR 2 also wins as best looking ever there. it's also much smaller now compared to resetera now, so is gamespot for that matter. Feel free to bring up any forum which has the question which is the best looking game ever currently. alos found this and on reddit with everyone agreeing it's still the best looking game.
resetera and beyond3d have a tons of developers and no one really shares anything similar to your thoughts. almost evryone unversally agrees it's subjective and almost impossible to look at game and tell which one is more demanding, unless there is a massive gap graphically.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption2/comments/183hdk6/this_game_is_better_looking_than_most_video_games/
Last edited by zeldaring - on 12 August 2024
