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Leynos said:
zeldaring said:

We are talking AAA games being challenging not something made by a small indie. The reason they gave challenging mass apeal cause they actually made ones that are great and the challenge is fun and not broken. 

Cave is not indie and is one of the most renowned developers of the genre. Huge arcade hits and many ported to consoles spanning decades.

They certainly aren't a AAA developer since the 3d era. Also 12 years for 1 person to beat a game is not something good its called a extremely broken difficulty setting.