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Azzanation on 13 May 2024
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LurkerJ said:
Azzanation said:

Thats where you are wrong. This is an Industry wide problem. Sony also lay off staff and shut down studios, they did so earlier this year. PS and Xbox report to Sony and MS. Nintendo are different because they are publicly owned. They all have shareholders, but Nintendo have more control on the outcome and aren't told how to manage their company by a parent company like PS and Xbox. Thats why Nintendo and Valve continue to dominate with little issue because of that point. 

If Nintendo was under let's say EA, then I would put them in the same situation because you can bet your ass that the parent company will tell Nintendo to shut down studios or lay off staff for that bottom line dollar. Thats the industry we are in, it is controlled by major corporations, and they want a return-on-investment a lot more.  

It's hard to follow your logic, or lack of. 

You say mergers has nothing to do with anything, despite the fact that massive ABK layoffs happened following the merger due to duplicate staff filling similar position. You say mergers has nothing to do with anything, then you go on to say that because ABK and Bethesda are now special cases because they need to report to MS, while Nintendo doesn't have this issue because they're not reporting to a mega-corporation the size of MS? Your words against your words.

You ask us, simply, not to assume Hi-Fi rush was a success because..... you, simply, believe it was a failure, and ask us not to assume otherwise even in the presence of a direct quote from an MS exec praising Hi-Fi rush success? Your words against Aaron's words. 

We've been told repeatedly that being under a mega-corp like MS would lift the financial pressure off and allow for more creative freedom, and how Gamepass success metrics will change the game for titles like HiFi, repeatedly being presented with Phil's gospel: 

Your words against Phil's. 

This is why it all sounds like propaganda and damage control, I never said the things you're asking me to defend, and tbh, no one outside of the xbox fanbase sphere is shocked or surprised or asking for explanations, this is MS's DNA and they're doing what they alway do.

Finally, I am not betting shit, bet your own ass and chill. 

What if it was the merger that allowed these companies to dish out one more game before they closed? Bethesda was bleeding before MS brought them, and could have planned to close those studios a lot sooner. It's easy to point fingers at the big guy when none of you know the finical situation of the studios under these umbrellas. I talk from experience within a corporation. I have seen it personally with my own eyes and savings in the bank account is not an option to save brands that aren't turning a profit. 

Instead of blaming MS, what about the founder Shinji Mikami who walked out from Tango? 

“I was very close to a rank and file employee”: Shinji Mikami Reveals the Real Reason Why He Quit Tango Gameworks Even After Resident Evil’s Success - IMDb

As mentioned before, Sony closed down London and layed off 900 employees for being successful, GamePass and Mergers had nothing to do with it. Its as simple as companies can have high upkeeps and sometimes the only way to save other studios of closing is to close those that aren't returning on investment. 

You can assume the merger was the reason, much like you can assume it wasn't. Closures have been happening very frequently and also have been part of the industry since the beginning. And as I said before, Maybe it was the merger that allowed Tango to make HiFi and Arkan to make Redfall and they both failed.

Did i want MS to close studios? No, but i understand why it happened. No one got richer closing them, it was collateral damage to stop some of the internal bleeding. Its obvious. 

Last edited by Azzanation - on 13 May 2024