Israel-Hamas war, Gaza genocide

[zeldaring]

SvennoJ said:

NyanNyanNekoChan said:

Ah yes, because clearly those of us that point out that previous ceasefires have sadly not been effective simply must be fans of genocide and ethnic cleansing! This includes you too buddy, given that you also stated that you don't think the ceasefire would work. Welcome to the genocide and ethnic cleansing club, by your own logic!

Instead of singling mud back and forth (yes you too Zeldaring) what is your suggestion to do?

A ceasefire is necessary to stop the current bloodshed, starvation and rampant outbreaks of disease in Gaza. It won't solve the 75 year old conflict, but it will save many lives in the short term and limit further damage to any possible solution to the conflict.

Ceasefires have not been successful in the long run because the US keeps vetoing every effort to solve the root cause of the conflict. The US has created the feeling of impunity in Israel and encouraged far right Zionists to take control of the government.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/far-right-israel-zionism/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-origins-of-netanyahus-all-systems-assault-on-israeli-democracy

Israel is long overdue a wake up call starting with sanctions. Hopefully it's not too late for the population to restore democracy before Netanyahu and the likes erode it further.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/when-netanyahu-falls-israels-democracy-will-need-new-political-realignments

Ceasefires only work when work is done to solve the underlying conflict. Israel has never stopped the occupation nor continued stealing of land from Palestinians, treating them as second class citizens at best. All they have done is tighten the oppression and surveillance while building more checkpoints and walls. The IRA laid down their arms because that conflict was not solved with walls and apartheid.

Quoting Nelson Mandela

I am not truly free if I am taking away someone else's freedom, just as surely as I am not free when my freedom is taken from me. The oppressed and the oppressor alike are robbed of their humanity. When I walked out of prison, that was my mission, to liberate the oppressed and the oppressor both.

"Choose peace rather than confrontation. Except in cases where we cannot get, where we cannot proceed, or we cannot move forward. Then if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence."

There is a way out

https://globalnews.ca/news/10100613/nelson-mandela-great-grandson-israel-hamas-conflict/

Mandela said that his great-grandfather, the first Black president of South Africa, was considered idealistic for thinking that there was a solution to apartheid in his country and people would consider it a miracle if it happened — and then it did.

“The world looked at us and marveled to see us as a miracle. It’s not a miracle, it’s two conflicting parties coming into a realization that the violence would never resolve the conflict. They ought to find alternative ways to deal with that conflict,” he said.

And as with Israel, it took the US to stop supporting apartheid in South Africa to get the momentum going to start solving that conflict.
https://www.salon.com/2011/02/05/ronald_reagan_apartheid_south_africa/
Yet it took the international community to apply pressure on the US to finally stop backing the apartheid regime.

Israel has Europe in its pocket as well though :/

 

Sorry but it's hard to take anyone seriously when they say will a ceasefire solve anything. If they are paying attention it's not a war, it's a genocide. something like 9000 children under 7 years old killed and isreal knows this every time they drop a bomb but they calculate it's worth it since Palestinians lives are worth nothing. The whole population homeless and starving, 70% of homes destroyed, and 70%-75% of civilians killed you really have to be heartless to say what would a cease fire accomplish.