Phenomajp13 said:
You can mind your business, you ask me to get over it but have no issue with these people putting words in my mouth. We have already moved passed it. If you don't understand how his post looked misleading then you aren't paying enough attention. It was cleared between us already and yet Don felt the need to continue to post about it. Being dishonest about what I actually said. This isn't about xtrem but instead Don posting nonsense. So you could do your job and tell him to mind his business if he can't atleast post about situations honestly.
Yes software sales in physical format, PS having higher digital ratios to Switch doesn't mean PS's software sales with digital would all of a sudden become good. You are seriously underestimating how large the physical/digital ratios have to be to even match WiiU software in Japan. I wasn't saying you said Switch was a bad console, I meant if someone thinks it is, it doesn't matter. It's purely subjective, sales aren't subjective. Although I guess you're right actually and WiiU is an amazing success. I also never compared Switch software to PS5 software in Japan, I have literally been saying lower than WiiU and Vita this entire time. It can't go much lower than that. Also the software sales have been posted by another user above. Switch's attach ratio isn't comparable to PS4's because its a dead console and software continues to sale after the hardware sales have basically ceased leading to a higher attach ratio. Switch's attach ratio will climb when its as dead as PS4 and PS2. What do you think the PS5s current attach ratio is? Might I also add that Nintendo doesn't include their digital only software like Sony does for PS4. Switch's attach ratio will be very comparable when its dead and gone.
My apologies, you are right as well. It really wasn't pesstimitic at all, Switch completely overperformed. I never went at you for that, but I do find it annoying to told that was my stick. If you actually read what i said, I wasn't coming at you for that, it wasn't pesstimitic at all. I thought you were lying and that's what I accused you of. Its over though and I understand where I went wrong with you, I don't like Don trying to continue it though.
Thank you for this post, its objective the PS5's software sales are worse than WiiU. That is horrific. You don't have to think they are but if they do it, they should be called out for it. Don has consistently said something I did, completely ignoring what was actually said. So either he is lying or he cant read. If he doesn't understand, then ask for my clarification instead of making something up. He did neither because its intential on his part, he wants to push that agenda. So I have to call him exactly what it looks like. |
Your own words "the reasons its bad to you is irrelevant to the market". That seem pretty much claiming I said it, is that lying or dishonest?
Considering Sony own documentation it should be about 50% or higher digital, so if you have physical sales you could double that number to have a general idea of total (sure some titles will be much different from that, and for indies and the like well it is 100% digital and don't even show in charts), but again I was just pointing out why looking only at the rank of physical sales don't give you total SW sold by the system at all.
The sales Shtinamin posted is only for the titles that ranked (you can even see that he put "min"), so it doesn't cover all the titles launched for PS5 over there. I'll keep waiting for you to provide credible sources for total sales of SW by PS4 and PS5 launch aligned in Japan.
By the time those numbers were posted PS4 wasn't dead (The article https://www.tweaktown.com/news/79015/ps4-is-the-king-of-software-with-1-5-billion-games-sold-dethrones-ps2/index.html is from Apr/2021 so not even 6 months after PS5 launch), and that is why I said that it is quite possible that the attach ratio grew since them to be closer to 15.
PS4 was about 8 years old by the time of that 13.34, and Switch is 7 years old. Do you think Switch will climb from 8,6 to 13 in a year?
From Sony site you would have the attach ratio of 9.4 for PS1, 9.9 for PS2, 11.43 for PS3 all truly dead systems (https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/)
For PS5 attach ratio I'll look into the yearly of PS4 first to see how the attach ratio evolved (even though that site is missing the data of SW for 2013 up to 2015, I'll get that from their yearly reports, the first years will likely be a little less precise, but bear with me).
2013 LTD 7.6M HW and 384M SW total (no PS4 only data) so if we would consider 10% of that to be for PS4 we would get 38M -> 5 attach ratio
2014 LTD 22.4M and 460M SW sold that year let's consider that it was 20% for PS4 92M+38M(2013) -> 5.8 attach ratio
2015 LTD 40.1M and 158.7M SW (from the link of 1.5B total, so I'll consider that as lump of the previous years together) -> 3.95
2016 (now we have both from Sony) LTD 60.1M and 234.2M+158.7= 392.9M->6.5
2017 LTD 79.1M and 274.2M+392.9M=667.1->8.43 (so on 4th full year it was equal to Switch)
2018 LTD 96.9M and 292.7M+667.1M=959.8M -> 9.9
2019 LTD 110.4M and 276.1+959.8M=1.236B -> 11.2
2020 (let's call this the last alive year if you want?) LTD 116.1M and SW 173.2+1.236 = 1.4B ->12.06 (7th full year on the market)
2021 (to match the 1.562B SW and 117.1M HW) -> 13.34
Of course none of those numbers is 100% precise, even more because Sony didn't give specifics every year for each system. But we can use it to get a ballpark?
Let's do a similar exercise for PS5
2020 LTD 7.8M and 165.6M SW (and we are going to use the same very low 10% distribution) so 16.6 M -> 2.13 attach ratio
2021 LTD 19.3M and 303.2M SW (and 20% of that for PS5) so 60.6M+16.6M= 77.2M -> 4 attach ratio
2022 LTD 38.4M and 264.2M SW (here let's use 50% for PS5) so 132.1M+77.2M= 209.3M -> 5.45
2023 LTD 46.6M and 124.1M SW (from here on we can go for all on PS5) so 124.1+309.3M -> 9.3
(on this period I have been very conservative for PS5 SW sales, because total SW sold would be 857,1M and we saw that for most reports we had when a crossgen title was available more sales were on PS5 than PS4 even with its userbase being much smaller, you can also see that from the MAU it is about 50M PS5 and 70M PS4 - even though it had 117M sold -> this would mean that I'm only giving PS5 36% of total SW sold on PS since it launch, very small proportion but would be one year ahead of PS4 on attach ratio and already above Switch and that is without considering that all PS4 titles can be played on PS5)
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2023/230509_3e.pdf Nintendo count the digital sales (they don't provide to Circana and the like), so the about 1B sold SW is counting digital.
Now I'm back to wait you providing credible source for total SW sold by PS4 and PS5 per year in Japan.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
