Kyuu said:
Say what you want but Halo and Starfield underdelivered. Forza did great (given its perceived popularity) but wasn't that big of a system seller. Much of what you write here is irrevelant (the topic is hardware sales) and exaggerated (for instance, Halo and FH5 didn't do much for GamePass either. IIRC GamePass growth was starting to slow down not long before they released. They couldn't stop this). You overestimated these games yourself in a discussion with me. You claimed that Xbox will have two big system sellers coming before Sony releases their first (completely ignoring Miles Morales!), thinking it'll help Xbox gain marketshare. Yes, there is nothing wrong with having high expectations. Just as there is nothing wrong with explaining why some of these expectations were too-positive/unrealistic. But I'm more annoyed by rude and arrogant posts that attack/mock people with literally more reasonable expectations just because they're less positive towards Xbox. You here are misrepresenting my arguments... I didn't say "CoD won't have any positive effect on Xbox hardware" , I meant the marketing/GP CoD impact will be negligible or shortlived. For example, Xbox Series XS's Q4 is looking to decline YoY (over an already terrible 2022 Q4) despite Starfield. That doesn't mean that Starfield had zero impact... it just means that the impact was small enough to call insignificant. It couldn't even offset the decline over an embarrassing Q4 2022 for crying out loud. "CoD marketing" may be an even smaller factor this late in the generation. I'm pretty sure Xbox One launched with CoD marketing and yet the PS4 crushed it. X360 keeping up with PS3 had little to do with X360 CoD marketing. PS3 was more harmed by CoD simply existing on Xbox, which was easily the superior console in a number of key areas. |
You have no idea what my exact expectations for any of these games were so stop saying I had unrealistic expectation. If you're going to talk about expectations, tell me what those exactly are and how they weren't met because my perception of delivering could very well be different from yours.
If you want to keep pretending Xbox didn't benefit from the CoD deals when they had them and won't once they get them again, is a weird hill to die on. Let's look at the facts. Microsoft paid to have marketing rights and so did Sony, right afterwards. Why would they ever do such a thing for so long if it didn't have any positive effects on either brand? Sony fought the ABK deal with CoD being the center piece of their issue. Clearly, Sony and MS understand the benefits of Cod marketing, Why don't you?
"I didn't say CoD won't have any positive effect on Xbox hardware." No, this is exactly what you said:
"A next-gen version of a multplat CoD would do nothing to a new Xbox. Actually, even a CoD that skips Playstation consoles would not necessarily result in a massive increase to the new Xbox's baseline " You're already backtracking. My entire point was, Xbox consoles and software sales would see a boost and help a next gen console release. Omg, What a crazy take lol. For some reason this bothered you even though there is years of sales data to prove this.
Based on your last sentence about which console was superior and your defense about the ps3, you care more about console wars than any point I was actually making.
