| LurkerJ said:
And as I mentioned repeatedly, good for China, good for Saudi, and good for Russia, these people are looking out for themselves and their interests, I don't have a problem with them rising and bettering lives for their citizens. We, on the other, shouldn't surrender our energy, manufacturing or independence using globalisation as an excuse and only react when shit hits the fan. Far too many instances to list where we have actually come to harm because of this mentality just in the last 3 years. The underlined isn't true, I have repeatedly sung Biden praises in this particular forum and I have on multiple occasions shared videos and articles of the positive impact his policies have already had on manufacturing alone, a lot more in the works because of those policies. Along with pulling out of Afghanistan, these are the two main reasons why I want him to be re-elected. I'll dig my previous posts up and share more recent updates if I get the chance. As for the other posts up there which I didn't quote, the "nothing could be done about anything" stance has always been false, it's more ridiculous to suggest in the context of recent developments that took place after less than one term under Biden. The "nothing can be done" mantra used to contradict tested & proven policies that worked in the past, but it's even more ridiculous to fall back on as an (no) argument because it contradicts what's happening on the ground in the present, again, only after few years under Biden. If you lack the insight to know what could be done, it doesn't mean that nothing could be done. |
I am going to address just the China point of your post for right now.
You say we should not give up our energy, manufacturing or independence to globalization but isn't that exactly what a capitalistic society does. It will always move manufacturing to a location where labor is cheap including goods and services. The next thing is to then sell those goods or even services at a higher price to make a profit. What I always find funny is that most communistic and socialistic countries would rather keep their manufacturing, and other industry within their country while the same people who deride those social economic cultures also tell us how great and good capitalism is but then ignore the downsides.
When prices goes up in the US, the first thing people do is blame the current political party they believe is in power. We see that with gas and food prices. Americans hate to pay more money for anything and even though gas and food prices is high everywhere, they do not care because as long as their leaders provide a scapegoat they are all good.
My basic argument here is that the reason why our manufacturing goes overseas and other industry is because of the American people. Americans are use to buying cheap goods and when they cannot, they seek to find someone to blame. Americans are use to getting high salary for their work and they sure will not accept lower wages which is the same for the businesses in the US. So the problem with our industry going to other countries is because of the American people. They would not do those jobs at a lower wage. Those same Americans will also not accept paying higher prices for goods because we have many made in America companies where their prices are a little bit higher but Americans show every day they rather pay less money to cheaper goods then support their own industry within the US. Companies pay people huge salaries to Analyze the market and they see this pattern has not change so guess what, they send those jobs and that industry to countries that have cheap labor.
So what is the solution. Well for the US, there is none because as long as Americans purchase cheap goods over locally produce goods nothing will change. What will change is that as China GDP grows, their population will also want changes in wages. Its already happening where you cannot pay people the same amount for a job that would pay 3 times as much in the US or another country while making crap in China. This will force China to raise prices which then will force companies to move their manufacturing to another country. This will also make Chinese's citizens look to move elsewhere for their family as they can make more money with their skillsets as well.
So to conclude my point. The same thing you would praise the US for is exactly why what you are criticizing has nothing to do with who is in charge of the government but is a direct issue with the capitalistic society of the US and its people and its why it will not change. Think about it this way, when Trump was talking all tough about keeping manufacturing in the US but no one in his party every held him to the same standard. He never had to bring back any of his business to the US and that includes any of his children and he really only did a few publicity stunts but no real policy because that would upset a lot of people money including all the people who support him. It was all smoke and mirrors but neither party is looking to make any change because they all depend on it.
