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The morality of supporting unhinged ultra-religious far right Israeli government and their genocidal tendencies aside, does Biden think his current stance hinders or aids his re-election? Even more baffling for Kier Starmer who had the entire nation in the bag, including Scotland, until weeks ago. 

I am avoiding the images, videos and headlines coming out of that region during my work days because I know it's heartbreaking, it's the start of the weekend and I am already fuming. What a disaster unfolding in front of everyone's eyes.

I used to make excuses for why we didn't feel strongly about what happened to Yemenis and did nothing to help because it never got enough media attention, but for crying out loud, everyone can see what's happening here, the majority everywhere don't support bombing hospitals, refugee camps, and ambulances.  

the-pi-guy said:

The rise of China based on what?

If we look at GDP, it basically tripled under Bush, and then doubled again under Obama.  It definitely wasn't due to left leaning politicians, it was happening regardless.

From what I understand a lot of China's growth is kind of manufactured. It was going to happen because of China's influences, not America's.  

I think the big difference is that right wingers complain about China, while having absolutely no real solutions to fix any of it. And left leaning politicians try to make it less of a deal, because they probably don't have any real solutions in this particular case either.

And as I mentioned repeatedly, good for China, good for Saudi, and good for Russia, these people are looking out for themselves and their interests, I don't have a problem with them rising and bettering lives for their citizens. We, on the other, shouldn't surrender our energy, manufacturing or independence using globalisation as an excuse and only react when shit hits the fan. Far too many instances to list where we have actually come to harm because of this mentality just in the last 3 years. 

The underlined isn't true, I have repeatedly sung Biden praises in this particular forum and I have on multiple occasions shared videos and articles of the positive impact his policies have already had on manufacturing alone, a lot more in the works because of those policies. Along with pulling out of Afghanistan, these are the two main reasons why I want him to be re-elected. I'll dig my previous posts up and share more recent updates if I get the chance. 

As for the other posts up there which I didn't quote, the "nothing could be done about anything" stance has always been false, it's more ridiculous to suggest in the context of recent developments that took place after less than one term under Biden. The "nothing can be done" mantra used to contradict tested & proven policies that worked in the past, but it's even more ridiculous to fall back on as an (no) argument because it contradicts what's happening on the ground in the present, again, only after few years under Biden. If you lack the insight to know what could be done, it doesn't mean that nothing could be done.

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 04 November 2023