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Machiavellian on 27 July 2023
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KLAMarine said:

the-pi-guy said:

Firstly would you feel okay if these sections also existed:

- "instruction includes how 9/11 caused there to be more space in New York City, which in some cases allowed new buildings to be built."

- "instruction includes how the Holocaust caused Jewish scientists to flee Germany, which in some cases gave benefits to other nations."

There's a history of trying to make slavery seem like it was actually a benefit to black people; in an attempt to downplay evil. "We took them from living in huts to living in cities"

Trying to justify some of the most horrific events in history is evil. Florida has taken a notable step to codify that evil in their education system.  

I think the point of Jewish scientists fleeing Germany WAS beneficial: it robbed Nazi Germany of talent and benefited The Allies in their fight against The Axis.

Machiavellian said:

Here is a question, do you believe it to be true.

I think people can learn new things even in dire circumstances. There are certainly strong incentives to do so in bad times.

I recall reading of North Koreans learning to survive during the famine in the 90s. The Soviet Union learned to fight when it was invaded by The Nazis. Of course, as a whole, these were bad times but I don't think it's controversial to acknowledge silver linings.

Are you really learning something that is the key.  This is not about learning about how something bad could have also produced good results.  Its the narrative that something bad wasn't all bad.  In marketing sense its a way to try to make a product still appear appealing even when there was something hugely negative with it.  In this case the product is history which covers something bad but in Florida, they will try to fame it as if it was not the atrocities it is.

Now think about it on this point.  They give examples of people who have benefited from Slavery.  We could create a whole thread on how that part is missing a lot of detail and actually false but instead lets just say that the 16 of so people they name was all true.  Also remember that these people they list are all in the African history course that was nixed by the Governor.  Meaning that its not that Florida is looking to teach you some silver lining about black history, they are looking to control that narrative for their own purpose.

The issue is that there are millions of slaves but you have 16 examples they are trying to use as proof of what they are saying.  This is another way of just omitting things that happen after Slaves were freed.  Jim crow laws are just obvious laws that some people heard about but do not really know what they cover and since its something that will not be covered in Florida, they are happy people stay ignorant of those laws.  Even still Jim Crow laws were just the tip of the iceberg,  there were many laws especially in the South that basically forced Slaves back to plantations because they could not get a job.  Then there was incarcerations for just about anything to force those same freed slaves back to work for nothing.  

All of these laws actually are things that are covered in the African studies which mind you Florida made a point of getting rid of.  Also its something that is taught in the Critical Race Theory college course but that is also something that Florida Governor has nixed as well because it would be bad to have actual history that goes counter to what they are currently trying to sell being taught in the state that someone actually have to elect to and take.

So while you may believe that this is somehow a way to show how Slavery was beneficial to black people in some type of way, the real message and the real goal is to suppress all the negative parts before, during and after Slavery to somehow make it appear that things were that bad and any information you hear different is woke CRT or whatever they are going to name it.