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Otter on 30 June 2023
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Wyrdness said:
Otter said:

Your jumping between perspectives

Either we're talking decline in Japan or we're talking WW. In japan Xbox release is irrelevant, WW decline is not real in the mainline series with or without the 1m from Xbox.

The quality is partially what has made FF divisive recentlyu lol, which was my point. The comparison to Zelda is a bit off, Zelda has a much stronger core experience than recent Final Fantasy.  FFXIII, XV and XVI might as well each be a different IP. There is no modern AAA franchise which treats each entry as unique as Final Fantasy for better and worse.

During the golden age FFVII, VIII & IX the games were very aligned in gameplay, team orientation & scope at least. I'd love for them to go back to that. 

No dude you yourself are muddled up on perspective because I was always talking about the decline in Japan hence the point about multiplatform making up for it. 

Zelda doesn't have a stronger core experience it has a consistent identity that Nintendo bends approach, mechanics and gameplay around. BOTW, SS, ALBW, TFH, ST, PH and TP all have different approaches but they all retained the series identity what that means is you still feel like it's Zelda regardless of changes. FF is not being unique in each installment it's lost in an identity crisis SE come across as not knowing what they want it to be and this contributes to the long development cycles. 

During the FFI to FFIX era the games were changing in gameplay and quite significantly, for example the Materia system in VII requires a different approach compared to the Draw/Junction system in VIII. IX used a build like system for each character in which you managed skills passive skills and equipment, V had an advance Job system that can get very technical etc...

Only thing aligned in these games was how combat was executed. 

This was literally your response to me talking about XV's global sales to Soundwave highlighting its the best selling entry in the franchise.

"XV isn't PS exclusive which is also his point, not appealing to Japan is part of the reason for the decline in sales. Being multiplatform helped make up for the loss but as an exclusive it's not going to match XV, FFVIIR landed at 5.6m despite being a heavily anticipated title for years with some people saying it will hit 10m, XVI will likely settle at the same mark."

The bolded are all references to global sales on your side. The multiplatform benefit you're referencing in regards to XV must also be in regards to global sales since it didn't impact japan at all.