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JuliusHackebeil on 14 January 2023
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the-pi-guy said:
JuliusHackebeil said:

Odins persepcive is a curious one.
Some guy he never met kills one of his two sons and his two grandsons.
Baldurs death means that Ragnarök is approaching.
He thinks in Ragnarök every single realm will be destroyed.
He wants to prevent Ragnarök from happening at all cost.
He goes to Kratos and offers peace as long as they don't search for Tyr, because Tyr is the key figure in destroying all the realms.
Kratos, who positioned himself to be Odins enemy, searches for Tyr.
So Odin masks himself as Tyr to keep an eye on his enemies.
His most loyal servant, Heimdall, is killed by Kratos.
He blows his cover like an idiot and flees without the mask.
His enemies arrive in Asgard. And they specifically brought the beast that will destroy it.
Then they kill him and destroy Asgard.

So yeah, Odin did kill Brok, which was a bad move and an idiotic one. And he killed Thor. Very evil. A hundred years ago he was also very evil to Freya (even though it stays unclear what he gained from antagonising Vanaheim). He tortured Mimir and held him in prison. But so did Mimir with this whale thingy.

But was that really enough to justify the destruction of a whole realm? How many civilians died because of that? And since the game makes a huge point in fostering empathy for animals and their suffering (the two jellyfish for example), I have to ask: How many animals died because of Ragnarök? The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that in a series of dumb decisions by Kratos and Atreus, trying to get to Ragnarök was the most idiotic one.

Because Ragnarok was the only way of getting rid of Odin. 

Odin just wants control, and he's shown to destroy all the giants, enslave the dwarves, and in general antagonize Vanaheim.  

Destroying one realm is preferable to destroying all of them, and that's pretty much how the options are set up.

We do see survivors from Asgard after the end.

Killing Heimdall might have actually been inevitable, since he had Gjallarhorn which in the entire game is the only way to Asgard not provided by Odin. If Kratos, Mimir, Atreus, Freya and all the rest behaved more diplomatically and did not antagonise Odin/Asgard from the very start, there might have been another way actually. But whatever, let's say Heimdall had to die. He was an incredible asshole and could really have killed Atreus, so good riddance. But Ragnarök - the monster formed from Surtr - was definitely not necessary. So hard disagree on that. All that monster did was devide Kratos' forces (Freya and Freyr) further. If they wanted an attack on Asgard without destroying the realm itself, just targeted at Odin, they could have blown Gjallarhorn and got in. Sindri with his little thingy could have crashed the wall. Kratos fought Thor anyways and won and turned his head right. Odin would still kill Thor. And all of them would still kill Odin. And Asgard would still stand.

And to your sentence about Odin having done incredibly evil things in the past: very true. But how long ago was that. Kratos himself did inexcusable things in the past. We accept his change. The only real dick moves Odin brings in the entire game are killing Brok and killing Thor. He killed Brok (if memory serves right) right after hearing that his most loyal servant, that is Heimdall, was killed by Kratos (who now has a streak of killing Asgardians). And he killed Thor when the self-declared enemy shows up with the end of the world in tow and Thor, by the looks of it, is letting it happen. Is Odin actually a good guy? No, I don't think so. But I get where he is coming from and more than that: he is never activly evil in the game, he just overreacts two times killing Brok and his own son.