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twintail said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Kojima said he don't think games are art, for me this man can go fuck himself. Never liked his games anyway

Feel free to use the thread to share videos or pictures that prove games are art!

I think you should add a spoiler warning to your opening post, since there's definitely stuff there some of us wouldn't have experienced yet.

As for whether games are art: or media forms are art to varying degrees. And art is about conveying certain emotions and saying something about the world around us. 

In reality, I don't think many games do this: they just tell stories, which is fine, but that doesn't make them artistic. And I think it's possible for someone to truly work out eras for this thing, but really I feel it's no different to how one art form informs what comes next.

You know, before we had pop art, which essentially made art understandable and mass available, we had abstract art (probably one of the more difficult ones to truly understand). So art itself can also be, not really art. Warhol's soup can is just as much art as anything from Da Vinci, Van Gogh and Dali. But it's obviously tapping into a different reality than the other artists I mentioned.

Games wouldn't be any different, I feel. 

Games often tell stories and convey emotions. Literature is art, and it doesn't really need to tell anything about the world around us, as there is fiction and fantasy genres. Any game with some kind of minimum storyline is a sort of literature I think

Games also have for quite some time developed enough visual identity to be placed somewhere along digital art. If animation movies and shows are art, I think games cam be defined as art too. I mean, there are tons of cutscenes that are basically a bunch of anime videos placed in the game, if animes are art so is games I'd say