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JWeinCom on 02 June 2022
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tsogud said:
JWeinCom said:

People don't know what actual malice means in this context. 

It does not mean Amber was mean in general or a terrible person. It refers only to the specific defamatory statement, not her behavior in general. It means in regard to that specific statement, the person knew it was not true. Essentially as George Costanza says "Remember, it's not a lie, if you believe it."

If Amber believed herself to be a victim of abuse, regardless of whether that belief was justified, she should have won, unless the jury interpreted abuse to have a more specific connotation that implied specific acts by Johnny Depp. My intuition is that it's very possible that someone like Amber would perceive herself as a victim, even if no objective person would make the same judgment. Lots of people who are abusive perceive themselves as victims. I haven't heard the testimony, and honestly don't really care that much, so I can't say whether the jury came to the right conclusion or not.

If you would have watched the trial in full you would have known that the judge explained, under no uncertain terms, to the jury what malice meant. The jury had specific written instructions as well. And if that wasn't enough the lawyers reminded them of it. Insinuating that everyone but you knows the definition for malice in this context is very insulting. Maybe don't be rude to others before you know all the facts.

So what people do you think I was referring to? All people in general? The people on the jury? Or maybe... just maybe... the people in this very topic, including the one I was directly responding to, who were misusing the term actual malice when responding to me? You know, the person I was explaining actual malice to at that very moment? If I meant the jury, wouldn't I say the jury?

What about me saying I don't know whether the jury got it right or not literally 100 times by this point would make you think "He's saying the jury didn't know what actual malice means!" What did I say that would lead anyone to believe  that I was unaware of the concept of jury instructions or what a lawyer does? And why would neither of us mention the jury's knowledge of the term for the rest of the conversation if that's what I was referring to? Did you honestly think I was saying that everyone in the court room just forgot to explain it? Maybe I should have called the judge to remind them so I could defend Amber Heard who I apparently support so very much. XD

And who exactly was I being rude to? The jury? Are you sticking up for them? Cause they're the only person who could've been vaguely offended by them. Thanks for defending their honor I guess. Lol.

I'm not trying to be rude, but if people say dumb shit, I got to call it dumb shit. You just said some dumb shit man. Sorry that you can't use context to figure out an ambiguous pronoun. Feel free to prove me wrong by showing how any reasonable person could take what I said to mean that I think nobody on the jury knew what actual malice means. Walk me through it. I look forward to the non-answer I'll get. While you're at it, explain why it was rude to tell someone they didn't understand something that I had studied and then explain what I understand to them. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 02 June 2022