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Ka-pi96 said:
KratosLives said:

7 million displaced ukranians , heavy damages to cities and 2 or 3 million fled the country, along with civillan deaths, numbering who knows what.  

One senior in Ukraine talking on social media/news report on youtube saying "well who knows what putin would do or how can he be trusted if they negotiated to his terms, only for him to then go after all of ukraine or make life a misery."   Well if that was to happen, surely the ukranians will put up a fight, and get international help, but that's an if putin does that.  Atleast if they negotiate now they can atleast save many lives and cities taken, and less damage caused, and maybe if ukraine can remain neutral and not upset putin, they can develop as a country while being neutral and avoiding war. Are putin's demands really that more damaging? 

But if they go this route of trying  to fight russia, what are the chances or what do they think they will gain in the end? How much value do you put on one civillian or many thousands, and what extent do you go to save even 1.  

Why the fuck should they care about not upsetting that pathetic little man?

Yeah, let's all just bow down to violent bullies and let them do whatever the fuck they want. That makes total sense. Jog on with ridiculous suggestions like that.

Plus, how the fuck can they avoid war? They aren't the ones that started it. Why are you blaming the victim?

Why are they fighting now? Because it's a lot easier to try and fight the moment somebody breaks into your house rather than when they've got you pinned to the floor with a gun pointed at your head, it's too late to fight back then!

Putin had his own security concerns, fears. Sometimes it makes sense to make a compromise, even if not entirely favorable, then end to end up in a much worse state. What if this drags on for months or years.. By the end of it, if zelensky is still alive, will have to look at damage done and ask was it worth not negotiating and making some compromises.