EpicRandy said:
why don't they come to agreement with putin. How is the displacement of millions of ukranians, thousands of civillan deaths and destruction of cities not worse ? You seems to think to think Russia's demands are somewhat reasonable or that an agreement to something would actually make Russia stop. Why don't you ask Russia why they did not engage in diplomacy before invading? They were amassing troops at the border pretending that it was a drill and never offer Ukraine a chance to resolve the issue before shelling cities. They also reach multiple agreement for humanitarian corridor which Russia never respected. What makes you think any agreement will make shelling stop? The only thing that seems to make sense now is the US/uk and nato want a heavily sanctioned wakened russia above anything, a halt in their military funding and advancement while the west and nato get stronger.all these sanctions were planned over a year ago. What a load of conspiracy bullshit. If sanction would have been prepare over a year ago NATO would also have been prepared to ditch Russian Oil and gas. How about you try with an explanation like "NATO want Russia to stop their unprovoked aggression". Looks to me like it fits the current context. Biden talked about catastrophic loss of live and destruction, before the invasion. Yet no one serious about preventing. If you were actually paying attention, you would know that Russia provoke the west anytime they can trying to get a response to justify an escalation. The west did not give Putin what he wanted so he resorted to bullshit denazification to justify it's aggression. Any 'serious' action done for 'preventing' by the west would have been used as a justification instead, that's a certainty. And with your post, I'm inclined to think you would be now using those 'serious' action done for 'preventing' to further blame the west. Honestly what could be worse? Because Ukrainians live's were so great under Russia/Soviet Union I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor. And zelnsky is an odd person. He doesn't know wjat he wants and goes back and forth. He visits people of sufferent without showing concern, accepts ovations, I don't know if he's acting or genuinely concerned, considering he was an actor. All your supposition here doesn't even pass basic scrutiny seriously. What exactly is he hoping for, ukraine victory and at whats cost? |
7 million displaced ukranians , heavy damages to cities and 2 or 3 million fled the country, along with civillan deaths, numbering who knows what.
One senior in Ukraine talking on social media/news report on youtube saying "well who knows what putin would do or how can he be trusted if they negotiated to his terms, only for him to then go after all of ukraine or make life a misery." Well if that was to happen, surely the ukranians will put up a fight, and get international help, but that's an if putin does that. Atleast if they negotiate now they can atleast save many lives and cities taken, and less damage caused, and maybe if ukraine can remain neutral and not upset putin, they can develop as a country while being neutral and avoiding war. Are putin's demands really that more damaging?
But if they go this route of trying to fight russia, what are the chances or what do they think they will gain in the end? How much value do you put on one civillian or many thousands, and what extent do you go to save even 1.
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