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sundin13 on 24 January 2022
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padib said:
sundin13 said:

To "cheat death" does not mean to be immortal. I'm not sure where you pulled that from. 

As for all of your suppositions, I find it to be far more likely, given the greater trajectory of the scientific and medical fields, that such technology would not be created under the singular and selfish efforts of one man and those he employs, but instead by the greater scientific community. While it may be used on one man at first (likely after clinical trials demonstrating its efficacy), again this affords no idea of divine providence to such a man. If someone came to me and said "I just had a cool surgery, follow me", I would tell him to kindly fuck off. 

As for your "references", they do little to prove your point. While they imply that there may or may not be a man (again, depending on how much you assume is literal), they do not clarify whether the head references in Revelations is a literal man who suffers a literal wound and a literal resurrection.

If he can cheat death, then he can cheat death again. Esp. if he holds the power to perform this miracle on himself, he would have access to that power and could make use of it again. Can you also reflect for yourself or do I have to spoonfeed everything? It gets me impatient, try to think for yourself.

As for the scriptures, you need to correlate them. I'm a bit tired to do it for you given you can't make the link between cheating death and immortality. If your train of thought won't go beyond 1 point, I won't do the work for you it gets my energies low.

As for what the political climate will be when this man comes to power, I wouldn't be surprised if people followed him like sheep. You only need to look at how people gobble everything the goverment is throwing to us today to predict given the trends that people will soon be nearly completely brainwashed.

Here in Quebec, people believe that non-vaccinated people are putting the population in danger and people are desiring that the government constrain non-vaccinated people by stripping away their priviledges.

https://twitter.com/lefacteur10/status/1483673688440512517?s=21&fbclid=IwAR2_EhrE59fiaN2pCrWMmblUdp3iltOV8H4Wr9xTjGzEApYPSILyjWXutLA

In such political climates, anyone in power can do anything.

There is no necessity for an individual who cheated death to be able to do so multiple times. You asked earlier if anyone throughout history (other than Jesus) has been resurrected after being proper dead and there is one example: Lazarus. Lazarus was resurrected by Jesus after being dead for several days, yet he was not immortal. Again, you are introducing a number of ifs and suppositions as if they are certainties or requirements. While it is possible that an individual who "cheats death" may be immortal, it is in no way a requirement or certainty dictated by the provided scripture. 

Also, unvaccinated people are literally putting the population in danger. There is no mystical belief there. It is objective reality. 

To summarize, my issue is not with your explanation for how scripture could be explained in modern contexts. I very much agree that it is possible to translate scripture onto modern contexts. My issue is with your assertion that scripture could only be applied to modern contexts. As I previously stated, the metaphorical nature of Revelation allows it to be grafted onto many different contexts by making different assumptions regarding how much is literal and how much is figurative. You seem to be buy your confidence by making assumptions that aren't necessitated by the scripture which I have further problems with.

The theological view of Preterism is largely based on this idea, assuming that many of the things foretold by the bible have already happened over the last several thousand years and lining them up to certain points in history, so it isn't even consistent within the church how these things are to be interpreted.