By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
sundin13 on 03 December 2021
Edit Thread
Jaicee said:
sundin13 said:

Again, if they are "clearly guilty" and "pose an obvious danger", why in the fuck would we let them free if they paid us enough? That is just garbage policy and frankly, it is a weak crutch for supporting cash bail. 

Further "you can plainly see the real world results", isn't really true. There is little academic evidence of this claim. 

As for your assertion of the "progressive mindset", I honestly don't care about your opinion on the progressive bogeyman and the fact that you think that is an argument here is embarrassing.

You're right, people who clearly are guilty of like violent crimes and just as clearly pose a continuing danger to others shouldn't be released, period. Your class position shouldn't matter an iota before the law. That's how it would work in a better society than we have. But we don't live in that more perfect society. The only real-world effect of scrapping cash-bail and replacing it with jack squat is more, mainly poorer, people getting raped, maimed, robbed, and killed. That's just not my idea of justice or equality.

I don't mean to be a cynic about human nature, but I just think we have to be intellectually honest, not just idealistic.

Removing cash bail does not mean replacing it with a system in which everyone charged with a crime has to be let free

I don't know why you seem to be unable to fathom anything other than a black hole to stand in the absence of cash bail. It isn't very complicated. A judge is simply tasked with making a determination whether an individual should be held in pre-trial detention or released. This decision is based on whether that individual poses a credible risk, either to public safety or to not show up to trial. 

You also continue to fail to demonstrate any substantial evidence to your implication regarding the negative consequences of removing cash bail. I will however say that if we wish to reduce crime, the easiest way would be to lock everyone up. You can't commit crimes if you are in prison, and a scenario with MORE murder and rape is hardly my idea of justice or equality so maybe just jail everyone? (The point, is that there necessarily must be some tradeoff between freedom and safety, as taking a hard-line safety stance will always devolve into oppression).