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Azzanation said:
EricHiggin said:

So fanboys are completely unimportant, in fact useless, which is why MS doesn't want them comparing numbers as you said earlier, but charging more for extra is important because extra should be free, even for the fanboys?

Sales numbers are not important, people should be playing games not comparing business sale numbers.

I'd think, all gamers matter, but what about the non fanboys that liked XB due to console exclusivity. You think they don't exist? They are of no value?

Never said that.

So SNY shouldn't charge extra for the included PS5 next gen DS Controller features, but MS can charge extra for the not included, Elite Controller (S2)?

I don't understand, Are you comparing Sony charging $10 more to include DS Features on the default controller that comes with the system to a Elite Controller (S2) which is sold separately? Id tell you what i wouldn't agree on, if MS charged for the use of the Share Button on the Series X controllers.  

I'd say sales figures have been seen in a more negative way towards XB yes, because their numbers haven't been as good. PS (and Nin this gen) have their numbers looked at in a positive manner because they've been great. Nobody is going to look at poorer numbers and say wow this is fantastic.

They will never be as high anymore because MS isn't all about trying to push you in buying an Xbox. They are giving people plenty of reasons to ignore the console unless you really want one. Phil stated it clearly. If they wanted to compete head on with console sales, they wouldn't bring their games to other platforms like PC and XCloud. They would have stayed with the same business model as the 360 which did go head on.

Ok so MS isn't as focused on consoles so nobody can or should compare them. Then SNY isn't as focused on Netflix gaming, multiplayer, streaming, etc, so nobody can or should compare them. Nobody should be making any comparisons to GP, xCloud, etc, because that wouldn't make sense, correct? Yet SNY is still obviously competing but isn't as strongly in those area's, so they don't matter whatsoever? Ok I guess?

Correct, we shouldn't compare them.

What about people who care a lot about online multiplayer and/or fairness, cheating, brand toxicity, and cross play? Don't you think that how many people have the same console matters if you'll only be playing with people with the same console, or do those people not matter at all either? It's really no different for any device, Nin Switch or otherwise. Unit sales matter, even if you believe it doesn't for fanboys and hardware enthusiasts.

Unit sales don't matter, only to those interested in the console wars. Again, people should be playing and talking about the games, not which system sold more.

We are in a industry thats divided by exclusives. If they didn't exists, we would live in a world where console makers would be focusing on trying to make the best console with features that sell a system and not the games. Exclusives only separate friends, force people to buy hardware they don't want or afford. If anyone can watch a DvD on a DvD player why cant consoles? Than it all comes down to which console suits your needs, price, features, services, etc. Everyone plays together on the hardware that suits them. Much like Apple vs Android phones, we can all call and text each other, doesn't matter of the phone, what separates them are the features. This is why i favor PC gaming, its one community, not divided. (Until Epic, trying to bring in that console mentally, trying to separate the people with their service and paid exclusivity.)

Some of your replies were a bit tough to read but let me answer your points in bald

K well I'm not responding to all of that because clearly it and much of the past replies have just been dodging, but if you don't think that one company offering advancements in their new console, which costs the same as the competition without those same advancements, like the controller, yet they both charge extra for controller upgrades, just in their own way, then it's not worth bothering, just like hardware sales...

BTW, its disappointing to know there won't be an, 'XBSS/XBSX : were they successful consoles?' Perhaps instead it'll be, 'XBSS/XBSX : myth or fact?'