Xbox One; was it a successful console?

[EricHiggin]

Azzanation said:

EricHiggin said:

"You need to look at this the way the businessmen look at things. They don't care about fanboys or console wars, they look at money."

"Its that they don't want to disclose sales figures for fanboys to compare when one company focuses heavily on hardware while the other doesn't."

Who cares though, right? If MS don't care about the fanboys, because they had moved on to the distant future with XB1, which didn't work out anywhere near as well as the competition who hopped instead of leaped, then why not just show the numbers, since you're not competing with anyone anyway. Everything points to the fact that they do care, and think the fanboys have God like influence which won't work in their favor. Which would imply either the numbers aren't so great, or the fanboys are truly marketing magicians, or both. Especially since that leap hasn't put MS in a position to show numbers yet, with two new console tiers, since they're still behind to the competition who is 'lagging behind', even though it's ahead of it's predecessor.

Is your overall point that XB1 wasn't really part of the 8th gen, but more like 10th gen? In that case MS would have like 6-8 more years to release the numbers. In upsidedownbackwards world, this does make sense actually.

Let me ask you a question, why do they need to tell people their hardware sales? Why do you need the numbers?

The Series X is sold out world wide, there would be a no better time to showcase their sale figures, but they choose to not show them. Maybe MS don't plan on making as many XSXs than Sony is with PS5s. I dunno, and i am surprised people still need to know these figures, unless you have shares with the business. There is no point in knowing. Its like when i buy a new hat at a hat store, i don't care how many hats they sold. Just like when i buy a console, i don't care how many consoles they sell, unless i am a fanboy and want to brag about console sales and to put others down and devalue a brand which is all that happens with this info.

eva01beserk said:

Azzanation said:

Let me ask you a question, why do they need to tell people their hardware sales? Why do you need the numbers?

The Series X is sold out world wide, there would be a no better time to showcase their sale figures, but they choose to not show them. Maybe MS don't plan on making as many XSXs than Sony is with PS5s. I dunno, and i am surprised people still need to know these figures, unless you have shares with the business. There is no point in knowing. Its like when i buy a new hat at a hat store, i don't care how many hats they sold. Just like when i buy a console, i don't care how many consoles they sell, unless i am a fanboy and want to brag about console sales and to put others down and devalue a brand which is all that happens with this info.

I thought we needed to look at this the way buisnessmen look at it? That changed? 

Part of my point is you're flip flopping as much as Spencer tends to. One minute something is important, the next it's not. One minute it's for this reason, the next it's not for that at all, but for another entirely. (To be fair, Ryan flip flops here and there but I don't condone that either).

Do you care about how many games get sold? I'd think so because the more copies a game sells the better it likely is. How much money MS made from a game doesn't indicate anywhere near to the same extent how good a game is. A game sold out can also mean not enough hard copies available. Also, the more copies sold, the better the online matchmaking. If a game doesn't sell as well, poorer matchmaking.

Console sales aren't much different, the more people buying that console, the better your experience is likely to be. Now that's changing somewhat due to cross play, but part of the push for cross play is because XB fans were complaining about matchmaking wait times due to lack of console sales. There are also those who don't want to play with another console brand because they may seem more toxic, or PC players because you can be at a disadvantage, etc. Cross play is far from universal as well, so how many consoles are out there with people to play with, still matters quite a bit.

I mean this is VGC is it not? Isn't that the main point of this site? Curiosity about the numbers? If all companies stopped giving out numbers, then what?