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Captain_Yuri said:
Azzanation said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Reducing weight doesn't matter much in this case as it was clearly over engineered to begin with proven by the tests.

Companies do adjust things yes but that's not kneecaping their product as kneecaping is much worse.

300g was a significant weight reduction considering it all came from the heat sink. Questions needed to be asked as less heat sink, blowing more hot air with the exact same fan etc.

The weight doesn't mean much as far as the heatsink in concerned. We have seen plenty of times in the PC space that a bigger heatsink doesn't automatically mean better cooling and now the new tests for the PS5 sets another example. I do agree that it's good to test things to confirm.

Azzanation said:
EricHiggin said:

Anyone who calls DF shills aren't worth listening to. DF is about as legit and unbiased as it gets no matter what they're covering. 

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the PS3 was delayed so SNY could add a GPU instead of having just the Cell do everything. That's not exactly cutting back or cutting corners yet didn't exactly help sales with the launch price and headstart it gave to the MS XB 360. Mind you without a GPU the launch could have been a total disaster. So, to save money and time or not? Perhaps spend more now and maybe save some later if possible? 

And lastly, lol, PS5 went from 3.9kg down to 3.6kg. A 'massive' reduction... that's caused not enough of a heat difference to worry about whatsoever in terms of gaming, yet, will certainly lead to much less fuel being burned while transporting tens of millions of units worldwide. All on top of the eco friendly packaging. 

Why doesn't MS reduce the weight of their fancy boxed 4.6kg XBSX fuel chugger?

XBSX is ruining the environment?.. 

Team "Green“ ?.. 

MS/XB are climate deniers!

Nobody get all worked up now. That's just my opinion on what little I've taken into account and concluded based on it...

You are entitled to your opinion, you wont see me bitching about it on the internet crying about what you think.

I was being ridiculous and sarcastic about gaming climate change to make a point about jumping to conclusions. There's plenty of things that could be said to at least question or disprove what I claimed which would make my initial point moot due to lack of depth.

Though, if I were to put what I said out there on social media (minus the "nobody get all worked up now" part since it's too obvious, especially if the extreme SNY fans ran with it, you can bet the extreme XB fans would flip out and 'retaliate' in a similar manner.  Just because you and I may be more levelheaded doesn't mean everyone else would, like what already took place.

Along with the PS3 changes pre launch, the XB 360 received a heatsink expansion really early on in it's life, which didn't exactly solve the problem but did help somewhat. Truth is MS needed either a better heatsink engineering solution or needed to make more doable hardware changes. Increasing fan speeds and airflow asap in a slightly redesigned model would make sense, even if it required better fans for longevity. Just a minor separator and extension to the heatsink cooling shroud cover could have helped saved MS a lot of headaches based on what followed.

In that much different time, MS did eventually do the best they could in the end by fixing and/or replacing the RROD units, but the much bigger and more important question, which they partially answered themselves with the XB1, is should you take enough time and go overboard if need be at launch? The answer was yes, though MS focused too much on cooling and media vs gaming and aesthetics, which they slowly started to fix with the XB1S and then the XB1X.

Yet nobody really questioned those 'reductions' as to whether or not they were going to be a problem or concern. It was simply time and slowly building trust in MS that proved they were ok. SNY on the other hand, oddly had concerns raised by some about whether or not the Slim and Pro would overheat. Based on the SNY and MS past console cooling records, it is curious why SNY console revisions seem to be the one's raising alarms.

I think it's fair to say however, that for $500, the XBSX went reasonably overboard in just about every way you would want, which has so far shown to be a pretty good decision. Much like the PS5, though both consoles have gone overboard in their own respective ways. A less is more approach has certainly helped SNY when it comes to the console shortage due to chip shortages. The smaller higher clocked APU in the PS5 has allowed for considerably more consoles than if they had gone with a bigger more cores approach like XBSX. Yet MS also has steady stock of XBSS because of it's smaller APU.

I'd say big screw ups this gen would certainly be an unanticipated surprise by either company. Both seem to be doing their due diligence for the most part.