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RolStoppable said:
Torillian said:

What information do you have that "almost all cases they didn't die of COVID-19 alone"? Looking at the comorbidity data I don't see a lot of things that would independently cause death but are rather related to having COVID-19 such as respiratory failure or pneumonia. Hell only 26,000 of the 620,000 deaths in the US had obesity listed as a comorbidity so the idea that one should focus on healthy eating over vaccination seems pretty ludicrous on its face. 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

I didn't read over my post before submitting it, so yes, the part you take the most issue with was definitely poorly framed. The point I was trying to make there is that far too little is being done to keep people's immune system intact; it's no wonder that children and teenagers are the least threatened age groups, because they have been exposed the least to the traps of the modern lifestyle. The problem is all too often that the concern is about how to treat people rather than how to help people not to get chronic diseases and illnesses in the first place. Vaccination is a solution for the short term, but for the long term healthy eating needs to get much more attention. Obesity isn't the sole result that stems from unhealthy eating, because unhealthy eating can be linked to many problems, including concerning the heart.

I certainly concede that there aren't a lot of things that can cause death independently, but at the same time it should be clear that things other than COVID-19, such as the common flu, can be that tipping point that is the nail in the coffin. That's not to say that the flu is identical to COVID-19, but the difference in their danger lies first and foremost in the latter being much newer and therefore less researched. Despite global deaths related to the flu being estimated to range between 250-500k per year, there's no specific attention being paid to it.

*stuff I cut to make the quote chain less long* - Tor

I'll add an @Torillian here, because the last thing I am going to say is addressed at both of you: We've heard so much talk about returning to normality in the last 1.5 years, but it would be a waste of this opportunity to go back to the previous normal. Because said normal is just a path that puts all of us on a trajectory for things much worse than COVID-19 in the next three decades - and obviously even worse things afterwards.

I see, yes it's possible that people are just generally less healthy than they could be and that becoming healthier would save a lot of lives during these times. That's hard to quantify but it's conceivable. 

I too hope we don't go back to where we were, but I think I'd prefer we took illness more serious in general. I see those Flu deaths and think that we should take those vaccinations more seriously, allow people to mask up without stigma when they're sick, and make it more acceptable to take off from work when you'll ill so you don't spread it. But we should work on lots of issues, just different focuses for different people I guess. 



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