Even AOC voters want public safety.

[sundin13]

Jaicee said:

sundin13 said:

I think there will be problems for the Democratic party as long as Democrats like Adams keep telling voters that we can't have justice and safety without further expanding policing. We saw a very similar thing leading to Biden's presidency with healthcare. He got on stage during the debates and essentially said "Everything the right has told you about Medicare for All is true" and the voters went "Oh fuck, oh shit, better support a moderate, Progress scary". 

This type of anti-progressive moderate Dem isn't new, and it has shown itself to be quite effective both on a national and local level but that doesn't make it any less stupid and damaging, both to the country and to the party. Until Dems can have an honest conversation among ourselves about what the Progressive platform actually means, we shouldn't expect the country to get on board. That applies towards policing, healthcare, climate change and every other important issue that the left can't figure out how to effectively message. 

...Uh...ahem...*raises index finger, then gives up*...hm.

...Sorry, just trying to wrap my head around the fact that you're the same person who just months ago was lecturing me against the fanaticism of raising the minimum wage.

Look I'm with you on Medicare-for-all. I voted for Bernie Sanders precisely for reasons like that. But like I said, the reality is that most people -- especially working class people, who are the most likely to have to deal with social violence -- fundamentally view policing as a public service to be improved, not as a disease to be contained like you and so many of today's political progressives make it sound like. That is the view that this primary outcome clearly reflects. I think a little more listening to what working class people of color themselves -- the people most often facing this shit (both police violence and social violence) on the ground -- are saying is in their interests might be worth considering. And politically prudent. This is the base of the Democratic Party telling you you're wrong on this issue. I think one should listen to that.

I have always supported increasing the minimum wage. I didn't support your takes regarding it. There is a difference. 

As for your point about the Defund movement, we've had this conversations at least once already, so I'll keep it simple. Moves like de Blasio scrapping the construction of a new precinct seems stupid from the information you provided, but this action (done by someone who isn't really a progressive btw) doesn't reflect the entire philosophy of both myself or the movement at large. I think that is part of the danger when the slogan sucks as hard as "Defund". It is easy for pandering politicians to miss the point. I believe that what we need to do is not just listen to the people, but listen to the proposals at hand and a have an honest conversation about them. However, I do not believe this is possible if we keep just parroting right wing lies because it is easy and it gets votes.