What people dislike about Wii U hardware?

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padib said:

psychicscubadiver said:

Oh, I'd never argue that the WiiU was better than the Switch on any front, software or hardware. I just disagreed with your original sentiment that ZombiU was shovelware and then your reply that the WiiU didn't have good games. It did have good games, they were just too few and tethered to a hardware that was not good.

Although, I would argue that Smash Ultimate is not an 'upgrade' of Smash 4. The two are different games for a multitude of reasons. The only reason you seem to think they are the same is that the physics engine was changed slightly instead being utterly overhauled like between the previous titles in the series. That one difference does not a 'port' make.

It all boils down to the question of what level of effort justifies calling a game a deluxe edition, a remaster, a remake, a port. How I see it, only one change in Ultimate could warrant calling it a new game (new campaign mode). But like I argued, it could also fit in the definition of a deluxe edition (example: brand new maps like the Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut). All the rest (level texture and background quality, balance changes, new characters), all that is in line with the patterns of the DLCs or other remasters that were never called new games. So I, esp. having played Smash 4 a lot, don't feel like we can call it a new game, like I can't call Ocarina of time 3D a new game just because they remade ALL the textures in the game (yes, all, that's a lot of effort).

As for the WiiU, I don't remember saying it only had bad games. But in contrast to the Switch, even its best games got better and deeper versions on the Switch, which proves how much stronger the Switch is to the U, and so the U, with a lower amount of appealing games, with a depth that could be improved upon, shows that even the library, while good, had a much weaker punch than what is expected from a successful console like the Switch.

I can tell you from my personal experience Ultimate plays differently than Smash on Wii U.  On the Wii U, I mainly played Link and my wife played Charizard.  We don't play either of these characters on Ultimate.  Charizard is now just part of Pokemon Trainer, and Link is now the BotW version and his bombs work totally differently.  The mechanics on these two characters are different enough to make us play other characters.  My daughter didn't really have a main on Wii U, but now she mostly plays Inkling and Piranha Plant, neither of which were available on Wii U.

For my family, the experience of the two games is radically different.  I've played plenty of other games that get counted as sequels where the gameplay changes a lot less than it changed between Wii U and Ultimate for Smash.