What people dislike about Wii U hardware?

[psychicscubadiver]

padib said:

psychicscubadiver said:

Oh, I'd never argue that the WiiU was better than the Switch on any front, software or hardware. I just disagreed with your original sentiment that ZombiU was shovelware and then your reply that the WiiU didn't have good games. It did have good games, they were just too few and tethered to a hardware that was not good.

Although, I would argue that Smash Ultimate is not an 'upgrade' of Smash 4. The two are different games for a multitude of reasons. The only reason you seem to think they are the same is that the physics engine was changed slightly instead being utterly overhauled like between the previous titles in the series. That one difference does not a 'port' make.

It all boils down to the question of what level of effort justifies calling a game a deluxe edition, a remaster, a remake, a port. How I see it, only one change in Ultimate could warrant calling it a new game (new campaign mode). But like I argued, it could also fit in the definition of a deluxe edition (example: brand new maps like the Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut). All the rest (level texture and background quality, balance changes, new characters), all that is in line with the patterns of the DLCs or other remasters that were never called new games. So I, esp. having played Smash 4 a lot, don't feel like we can call it a new game, like I can't call Ocarina of time 3D a new game just because they remade ALL the textures in the game (yes, all, that's a lot of effort).

As for the WiiU, I don't remember saying it only had bad games. But in contrast to the Switch, even its best games got better and deeper versions on the Switch, which proves how much stronger the Switch is to the U, and so the U, with a lower amount of appealing games, with a depth that could be improved upon, shows that even the library, while good, had a much weaker punch than what is expected from a successful console like the Switch.

New characters, new stages, new fighters, new moves, new single player campaign with new animations and an RPG element based on the spirits, new music, new textures, new side modes to play and removal of old modes like Smash Run and Smash Tour don't make it a new game?
What exactly does a fighting game have to do to be a sequel in your book? Or do you consider every Street Fighter since 2 to be a port as well, lol?


In regards to the library you certainly implied that the WiiU games were bad when you said "the majority of the games didn't have the depth and finesse that we see in Switch games?" I'd call Tropical Freeze a better 2D Platformer than anything original to the Switch, but if 'bad' isn't what you're trying to say about the games, then that's fine and I've got no reason to argue there.