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curl-6 said:
Shiken said:

Torna was deaigned as an expansion, but became something more and got its own full release as a game.  I have the physical game card myself, and you do not need Xenoblade 2 to play it.  It is about 30-40 hours long, and by definition a stand alone game.

Full on remakes like Link's Awakening are considered new games, so it makes the list.

You are correct about Fire Emblem Warriors, as I forgot about the 3DS version.  So for the sake of consistency, just replace it with Pokemon Sword or Shield.

The Wii is not a very good example, as it had a radically different control scheme that its games were built off of.  3rd parties pretty much HAD to keep Wii games exclusive without making changes to work with a regular controller (till the PS move was released anyway), so it wasn't really worth the time to port.  So what you really need to look at is 1st and 2nd party comparisons.

What it is comparable to however, is the PS360 from the same generation.  Aside from 1st and 2nd party, most 3rd party games were multiplat.  Hell even many 360 3rd party exclusives still found their way to the PS3 by the end of the generation.

So the current exclusive landscape really isn't any different from say 10 years ago, except MS games and some Sony games are now going to PC.  Nintendo has been the outlier in all of this, and have not really changed how they handle exclusive content.  And given how Nintendo does things, I don't see that changing while they are still in the hardware business.

Torna was designed as an expansion and it remained one; it is not its own game, and remakes are not new games either.

I stand by most of Switch's best first party content being recycled Wii U ports, and its actual exclusive lineup being subpar by Nintendo standards.

It's a Nintendo system so that's what I'll compare it against, and when set next to their other stronger efforts it falls short thus far.

Again though, it's a long way from done hopefully so by the end of its life it may have surpassed them all, but this is why I give it an 8/10 and not a 10/10 at this date.

If Torna is not a stand alone prequel game, what can I walk into walmart and buy a physical copy, and play it without the need of to own or play Xenoblade 2?

DLC is content added to a game, Torna is its own game with its own 30-40 hour length.

Your Link's Awakening logic is fine as long as you look at Miles Morales and Demon Souls as DLC and a remaster as well.  (you probably do though, which is fine).

Your preference of WiiU ports is your opinion.  I enjoyed the new content more and I did not even have a WiiU for games outside of the Zelda ports, so we will have to agree to disagree here.  You have every right to that stance, it is the people who never even owned a WiiU or Switch saying it that comes off as reaching downplay.

Last edited by Shiken - on 05 March 2021

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