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JRPGfan on 16 November 2020
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LudicrousSpeed said:
JRPGfan said:
DonFerrari said:
shikamaru317 said:

We now have reports from multiple sources that the Xbox Series SDK came in very late and incomplete. Devs had very little time to get used to it and update their engines to better take advantage of Series S and X before launch, so that is a big part of why XSX performance is a bit lackluster on some of these launch titles like AC. 

Now? We have been hearing It since the start of the year (and remember like couple months Ago on conference the launch games were still showing as target instead of captured on Xbox). A Lot of us have Said It would Impact quality of Xbox titles but defense force Said It wouldn't as the devs were making the game with target specs and the tweeks tô make It work on final console would be Very fast.

On the other hand, we have all been drowned in 12 Tflops > 10, and even xbox contributed to it (to say nothing of its fan base).

There was talk about PS5, being a PS4pro 1,5 and that games would only run 1440p.
There was talk about PS5 not being able to do raytraceing.
Stuff about it not being RDNA 2, and xbox fans on forums were being very loud about it, and everytime someone said lets way and see.
They would post meme and tease people about it.

All that was just FUD (fear, doubt, uncertainty, PR) from xbox and its fans (trolls).

Some are saying its not surpriseing that xbox series x, runs worse, but most weren't saying so before the launch of the two consoles.

Call of Duty, and Assasins Creed Valhalla run better on the PS5.
Devil May Cry only has a slight advantage to the XSX.

That entire 12 > 10, hype hasnt come to pass.

I dont believe its down completely to SDKs and Dev Machines access.
I think the differnce in performane between the two consoles is just not as large as many Xbox fans were expecting it to be.
Its now showing that. There is more to performance that just theoretical peak compute numbers.

Do we really need to worry ourselves with what the bottom tier console warz trolls say about either console? It's not as if we didn't see a ton of FUD about the XSX and how the PS5 was supposed to be so much better. Especially when you mention stuff like TF, and RDNA. You yourself have quoted people from GAF who peddled FUD about XSX and talked about how PS5 would be RDNA3 and XSX would be more like 1.5 and also before the PS5 reveal would speculate about how the PS5 would have 15TF of power and 32GB of RAM.

Furthermore you're listing three cross gen launch games with small differences here or there and extrapolating it out for the whole generation and power of each machine, and yet you're also talking about FUD? Doesn't make much sense.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/243669/microsoft-xbox-series-s-and-x-only-next-gen-consoles-with-full-rdna-2-feature-set/

Also I dont remember ever haveing said the PS5 would be RNDA3 or quoteing others saying so.
I have believed that it might be more customised than the XSX, and thus run slightly better than the whole 10 vs 12 thing, and have argued that though.

LudicrousSpeed said:
Digital Foundry redeemed.

SonyGAF was so sure that AMD and Cerny were going to unveil RDNA3 on stage today inside the PS5.

Will be interesting to see what difference this makes over the course of the generation. No doubt Sony has custom alternatives to RDNA2 features but they won’t be as good.

You where convinced, that not only would there be a 18% gap in power, but it would be bigger due to "sony haveing lesser alternatives" to features.
You call Neogaf "SonyGAF", and dont consider yourself part of the console wars? 


I mean look at some of this:

shikamaru317 said:
This matches with the rumors that PS5 was originally designed as a 2019 console, but had to be delayed into 2020, full RDNA 2 wouldn't have been ready if PS5 was designed as a 2019 console originally. Also explains why PS5 has a 350 watt power supply compared to 320 watt for Xbox Series X, even though Xbox Series X is more powerful and has locked clocks compared to variable clocks on PS5; if PS5 is only RDNA 1.5 (RDNA 1 with some RDNA 2 features), we know that RDNA 2 is more power efficient, which would explain why Xbox Series can get away with a smaller power supply in spite of the console being more powerful.

^ thats basically FUD.   There where quite a few post of a simular type in there.


Heres me in that thread:

JRPGfan said:
Hiku said:

An info-graph to help people visualize.
The chips were developed at the same time.    *pic removed*

Yes, people ignore that customsation of chips isn't something new or unheard of in consoles.
You could take out a part of RDNA2 and change it to something you rather used instead (which there would be a reason for, otherwise why bother doing it?). It could be better off, for being customised differntly than full RDNA2, we dont know.

From that same thread:

shikamaru317 said:
I'm also reading that Ubisoft confirmed that AC Valhalla is native 4k 60 fps on XSX, sub 4K upscaled to 4K 60 fps on PS5. Wonder what the resolution will be on PS5? 1800p, 1900p, 2000p? Will be an interesting DF video for both Watch Dogs and AC Valhalla I think, definitely watching those.
shikamaru317 said:

Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised by the resolution discrepancy on AC Valhalla. Were people really expecting most multiplats to have parity on XSX and PS5? XSX is 12.1 tflops, PS5 is 10.3 tflops best case scenario, with the potential for it to fall below that if a game is both CPU and GPU intensive (PS5 can't run both the CPU and the GPU at max clocks at the same time as far as we know), and then you have to take into account that some game engines tend to respond better to more CU's than to higher GPU clocks, which would give XSX an even bigger advantage on those games. Resolution is the easiest GPU feature to scale down on a game, so it makes sense that most multiplats will have higher resolution on XSX.

The question will be how large the resolution gap is on the multiplats, 1800p vs 2160p (4K), 1900p, 2000p, a dynamic scaler for resolution to better take advantage of PS5's variable GPU frequency? In the end, the resolution difference will probably be small enough that you will only be able to tell a difference in a side by side video, or on a really large screen (like 70 inch or more probably). 

We now know :) They both run dymanic 4k, and the PS5 seems to hold a higher avg resolution & framerate (and less screen tearing).

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 16 November 2020