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JuliusHackebeil said:
green_sky said:

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what he is saying. Watched the whole thing a few days ago. For their next game, they have to drastically rethink their approach.

Also, I read a lot, that the 2nd game was too dark. But it was just dark in what happens to what characters. The messages (and the video talks about that aswell) are very kiddy compared to the first part. Forgivness is hard, revenge is bad, murder and torture is bad.

That is very different from part 1, where those things are portrayed as good and quite handy and Joel (a stone cold murderer who selfishly forsakes mankind) as ultra likeable.

And I hate to say it, but I don't trust Druckman with anything any longer. Perhaps, when you are driven by personal ideology in a way Druckman is, this rubs off on your game and it becomes less daring since it HAS to be a force for good. It honestly astonishes me how clear cut good and evil are in part 2.

For their next game, I wish for moral ambiguity and daring messages, not just subversion of expectation à la Rian Johnson.

But I hope they stay somewhat where they are for their next outing: third person, rather linear, cool set-pieces, advanced tech and graphics, good actors.

What? How did you come away with that from the game? It was the total opposite of clear cut, it was pretty clear they wanted to show that there really are no good guys and bad guys or good and evil, it's just a matter of perspective. That was the whole point. An opposing group seem like the bad guys until you suddenly are shown things from their point of view. All characters do all kinds of things in the game, mostly horrific shit, even to the point where you as a player are made uncomfortable for what you have to do, and the characters justify their actions of course. I don't think bad things were portrayed as good in the first game either, it's always up to the player and it's very interesting how we fall in love with characters who do very grim stuff. The whole series is a study of the ambiguous nature of how we feel about these things.