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Dallinor said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

The trend of the market has been that the winner of the previous generation is the loser of the next. So the odds are against Sony in this regard.

Also, Sony's games are not as strong as you think they are. They sell quickly but then fall over quickly as well. Most of the came out towards the end of the system's lifespan when the install base was much larger. If you want a current example, ports of 3D Mario games have already outsold TLOU Part 2 on Amazon. Sony system's are pushed by Grand Theft Auto, sports titles and Call of Duty. Sony's first party games are mostly bought by the diehard Sony fan. Spiderman Miles Morales isn't going to light the world on fire. 

As for industry sources, we had sources say there would be a portable only Switch and WOW thats exactly what happened. Then we had sources for a smaller cheaper digital XBox and WOW thats exactly what happened. You're going to have to back up that claim they are always wrong because it seems to me the reason you think it's fake is you don't want to believe Sony is having trouble.

Trend of the market?

Elaborate on your reasoning. Include the PS1 to PS2 as well, as I'm really not sure how that fits into this 'trend'. Or how a model like that would even be applicable to this gen. The reality is the odds are overwhelmingly against MS. That's not even up for dispute.

They're stronger than they have ever been in the companies history. Comparing them to evergreen Nintendo titles is pointless.

That's reductive and inaccurate. As evidence in the boost the system has received numerous times with first party releases over the course of this generation. 

His claim wasn't that they are always wrong, but almost always. Which is true. Perhaps you don't follow all the leaks from unnamed sources, there's a lot.

Every generation since the 7th we have seen a shift on who the top dog is. Sony dominated the 6th generation but got their ass handed to them in the 7th generation (they only inched out over Microsoft due to a global presence and then only by a few million). Sony came to dominate the 8th generation because Microsoft and Nintendo shit the bed (both focusing on silly things rather than just games). Really, Sony does well when their competition is weak but flounder when the competition is strong. Microsoft and Nintendo were on point with the 7th generation but not the 8th. In the 9th, Nintendo is dominating and Microsoft is far more confident and has made strides to improve their platform. They've been the play makers thus far, and Sony has been reacting. Also, keep in mind that all three companies have had management changes since 2013. The people responsible for the blunder that was the XBox One no longer work for the company. Sony has lost executives as well.

I also wouldn't say Sony has been the strongest. Their PS5 line-up is evidence enough of that (it's literally all sequels). I'd say Sony was strong with the PS4 in that they focused on the games. In recent years, they've had a ton of blunders. Censorship, crossplay, the whole "woke" thing people are tired of. And the fact they still haven't shown a price is a sign of weakness, not strength. 

What you have to remember is that generations are decided in the first 18 months. The PS4's success was made in 2013/2014. Since then, they've been coasting. All consoles do to a degree. This is also why you see such market shifts each generation and why you shouldn't bet on (or against) the same horse (people made that mistake with Nintendo twice). Just because the PS4 sold a lot doesn't mean Sony's current management.

And if you think my comment is inaccurate, go look at the top selling titles on PS4. It's mostly Sports, Call of Duty and GTA (the top seller). Uncharter 4 was high but it's also been a bundle for a while. Sony doesn't represent the majority of it's best selling games unlike Nintendo. Heck, there are almost as many FIFA games in the top 20 than there are Sony first party titles (4 vs 5). So in a competition between Microsoft and Sony, the winner is going to be determined by Call of Duty, Sports and GTA which will be on both systems. 

Last, if you are going to say the leaks are almost always wrong, then you still need to back it up. Hardware stuff gets out more than software stuff because there are so many other channels for the info to get out and we've seen numerous times where these reports have been correct. With Sony being coy on the price it's hard to not put stock in the rumors. A $500 price tag is not unbelievable. I think a lot of Sony fans don't want to believe this because it mean's Sony is struggling in some way and they can't have that. 



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