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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Value in GP is quantity and quality. Don’t see why it can’t be both. Plenty great games on the service. Of course nothing has a 100% market penetration rate, and everybody is entitled to their tastes in genres and don’t want to wait for big games to enter the service. That said, you have to put your personal preferences aside and look at this from a broad picture.

I may be bias as hell, but it’s a no brainer to say you pay less and get more with Xbox via Game Pass, especially coupled with Xcloud, EA Play and day 1 1st party. More often then not the average gamer is more likely to find something they like among all of that then find nothing appealing at all. 

You definetly have quantity part of the equation, but quality is not the same for everyone. Like You yourself have admited not everything has 100% penetration. I already used me as an example of why a person like me sees no value in gamepass. I would rather use that $180 a year in 3 games I know im going to like. So you saying now 200 games still means nothing for me if I still have no interest in any of them. 

You really cant take bias out of it wich is the thing. There are people that I know whos only reason to own a console is fifa. I kid you not but they only play fifa all year round. for them as well this means absolutly zero even with EA play, because it only adds the fifa from the previous year and a super fan will buy the latest fifa. Because thats the issue with yearly titles, as soon as the new version is out, the old one just dies on the spot. That for me is the main issue with gamepass. for me if they have big games that I would like, I probably already played it. I work and have family comitmets and other shit, I dont have time to play indy or other smaller games so for me only the big hitters matter. And im willing to bet that gaming demographic has shifted to where the main console gamers are in their 20's and 30's. So they are more likely to be in my situation. They would also be working so they have more tolerance of what value is considered. 

So far the only garanty market gamepass has in my opinion is children. And I will say that if that is the  case that will put a big quation mark on the type of games that MS will push with that demographic. 

I wouldn't get too involved with him. He's not a bad person but like 99% of his posts are him bending over backwards to sell people on Xbox and GamePass. He's allowed to have his opinions and preferences, but man he pushes them super duper hard. 

The reality of the situation is that if GamePass was a selling point for Xbox, or price, or backwards compatibility, the Xbox One would have sold a lot better. That's just the fact of the matter. These are all good things, to be sure, but it's games that sell consoles. Gamepass is a good deal...but not for people who already own games. I have like 300 Gen 8 games between PS4, Switch, and Xbox One (Many are duplicates across generations and digital/physical), with very few I want but don't have. GamePass would MAYBE be worth it if I was just getting into gaming now, but that's not the case. People still like owning games, they still like physical copies, and they still like collecting. 

If not for my own desire to collect physical games, I'd actually consider PS5's discless version. I never thought I'd say that, but since I have so many digital copies and PS+ games...I'm probably ONLY going to use PS5 discs in the system and migrate my PS4 digital games over. 

I personally think the Discless PS5 is a better value than the Series S, and I don't even know the price of the PS5 yet! Why? IT still has all the speed and power that makes PS5 games stand out despite not having the raw power of the XSX. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android