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Dulfite on 01 September 2020
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Jaicee said:
Dulfite said:
Stereotypically assuming, because this site is dominated by men, that we would be sexist is, itself, sexist against men. Not the best start. May want to change the language of the OP.

Secondly, based on my years of experience, this site is significantly left leaning politically, or at least the ones generally commenting are, and lefties are more 3rd wave feminism supporters.

Which brings me to my third point. Feminism, stages 1/2, are basically supported by the mass (rights for women to vote and rights for women to get paid equally), but third wave (women should be able to murder babies in their womb), and fourth wave (all white women are evil, only minorities should gain more) are the two that many disagree with. I don't know any conservatives that don't agree with 1st and 2nd wave feminism, but plenty that disagree with 3rd and 4th. I'd recommend expanding on what you mean by feminism in the OP to avoid confusion.

Since this was among the most up-voted replies (tied for the most), I figured I'd focus on responding to this for now, as it seems to concentrate a lot of people's opinions. I'll go through this in a paragraph-by-paragraph way:

First, let's dispense with the annoying part. You claim here and in your follow-up post on abortion, that women in the tens of millions go around casually 'murdering giggling babies' just for the fun of it so they can have more sex, cue witch cackle. Yet you claim that I'm the sexist here because, oddly, I felt intimidated about dedicating a whole topic to women's issues on an otherwise all-male forum. ...Well just to trying to help you put matters back in perspective.

Concerning your belief that this site "is significantly left leaning politically", two things:

1) The existence of self-described conservative feminists ought to show that you don't actually have to be left-leaning to be a feminist. I mean the survey on feminism I linked you to in the OP (which was the second link) indicated that even 42% of Republican women in this country describe themselves as feminists today! AND...

2) It's interesting that you perceive VGC's political lean as leftist because I perceive it as more right-leaning than my country overall is, particularly when it comes to topics like feminism, women's issues, women's interests, that sort of thing. Unlike you though, I've got actual evidence to support my opinion. For example, when Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court came up and blew up in controversy mainly because he had been credibly accused of sexual assault, 47% of VGC users felt that he deserved to be confirmed anyway, as compared with barely a third of the overall U.S. population contemporaneously. Or something else that's stuck out to me has been the sort of opinions that are given an official platform on the main page. Here for instance is the most popular article I've seen posted thereto to judge by the number of views it got. Also, check out the comment section because the most up-voted entries are exactly the sort you'd think they'd be; exactly the reaction the article, and by implication the site management, intended to elicit. But maybe that's just me and a more typical woman would feel differently. Maybe.

Finally, concerning feminist waves, I think you've grossly oversimplified the contours thereof such as to follow the narrative of the conservative "difference" feminists. For example, I consider myself to be a second wave feminist ideologically, yet my views on women's issues are clearly pro-choice and seem to skew well to the left of yours on balance. Also, the contents of the current (fourth) feminist wave are not uniform; they have differed by country and region of the world and this is especially true when you take into account the starkly different example of South Korea where lesbian feminism (a school that barely exists anymore in the Western world) is far more common than intersectional feminism.

You said stuff before starting 1. So I'll respond to each thought in order:

1) My original response wasn't written to tick you off, but simply point out how some of the language you used could be interpreted as sexist. That wasn't mean shouting at you, or calling you a sexist for the rest of your life. I was simply pointing out something I thought would be helpful for you to see, another perspective. If you don't want to change your OP language that is fine and your right.

2) I never said women murder babies for the fun of it. Women are extremely stressed before, during, and especially after the procedure. Nothing about it is fun and I never suggested women enjoy it, so please don't slander me.

3) Regarding giggling, that isn't subjective. Babies giggle in the womb, and hiccup, and jump and do all sorts of other fun things. They are figuring out life in there and all the fun little things they can do. And sadly, despite all those wonderful indications that they are human, the needle still comes.

4) Regarding the 42% that are conservative feminists... But what does that mean? My wife is a 1/2nd wave feminist, but not a 3rd wave feminist. She hates abortion as much as I do. So again, what do those 42% even mean? I read a poll recently that indicated men are, by a majority, supportive of abortion. That same poll indicated women, by a majority, aren't supportive of abortion rights. Does that mean the majority of women aren't feminists simply because they don't adhere to 3rd wave ideology? Feminism is an unclear term in today's society as to what it means.

5) I never claimed to have evidence that this site was left leaning. It's just the feel I get when reading and making posts. I could absolutely be wrong here, but it is my opinion nonetheless. And Super Court Justices aren't the best proof of a sites political leaning. The electorate are usually okay with whoever a SC nominee is, as they aren't as politically charged as Congress or Executive members. That hearing was about personal stuff, and hardly about political issues or prior court cases, so people had to make a gut decision about who to believe. One side had no witnesses or evidence. It's innocent until proven guilty here, thankfully.

6) I won't pretend to know anything about waves of feminism in other countries. I speak purely on an American perspective.