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coolbeans said:
KratosLives said:

I didn't agree or sit right with Joel slaughtering everyone at the end, including the surgeon and Marlene. I just had a weird feeling on the inside. And the way it ended with Joel lying to ellie at the end, and the look on Ellie's face with the scene cutting to black and the music playing, I was left in disarray. Joel didn't have to kill the surgeon, or Marlene. Sure Marlene may come after ellie again, but so be it.. Marlene was never going to kill Joel. Just seeing Joel so ruthless like that, it kind of affected the build of the game towards the end. I loved the game and platinumed it , played through several times, but the that ending never sits right with me.

I see.  Aside from your assessment of the surgeon (what was his name in Pt. II again?) & Marlene, I can agree with your recounting of events.  For starters, there's just no way Marlene would've said everything's even stevens if she was allowed to live; that's not how this world operates, especially for the leader of the Fireflies seeing her group turn to rubble from one man.

I appreciate the perspective, but what's funny is everything you're retelling is what I love about it.

Joel shouldn't have killed the surgeon period, at all. It was selfish and he didn't take into consideration his family and so on. And as for Marlene, he should have just left her and dealt with her later if she was to come back for him. But to me it was pretty low of Joel to finish her like that. From their perspective they had a cause of a cure, it's not like she was bad. Joel could have fought her like a man if she managed to get to them some time in the future, but he ended her life like that, just didn't seem right to me.