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donathos said:
sundin13 said:

Honestly, I'm not really sure what you want me to say. You are kind of interweaving a lot of ideas, without really settling on points or arguments. Some of the things you say I don't think are accurate ways of expressing things, others I think are, but at this point, I feel like you are having me read through your abstract essay and strike through all of your typos. I can point out things here and there that I think are imprecise, but to what end? What is your argument here, or otherwise, what role do I play within these philosophical ponderings?

I gave myself some time to reflect before responding. I found your reply quite frustrating and disrespectful, and to be honest, I still do. Yes, discussing transgenderism is both complex and philosophical in nature, and it deals with some abstract stuff. I don't know what you were expecting? It isn't a straightforward or simple topic, and I was making an attempt to discuss it with you earnestly, and to respond to the things you'd said with honesty. Do I really need to describe for you your "role" in such a conversation?

But never mind. You might just be looking for an easy argument, for the sake of maintaining your ego, or to avoid being treated like Rowling, or both. Digging down to the actual truth of things is often a bit trickier, a bit messier and more involved (e.g. what you deride as "philosophical ponderings," etc.). Not everyone is equipped for that, or enjoys it. So I'll just say thanks again for your effort, such as it is, and leave it here.

My apologies, I didn't mean to be disrespectful. This just isn't the type of conversation that I typically have because it isn't really a conversation that I feel is valuable for myself. Part of that comes down to the type of person I am, and part of that comes down to my experiences on forums. I generally don't like abstract, philosophical discussions because they don't produce anything tangible. With intangible discussions, in my experience, things just become immediately circular and there isn't really any room for persuasion or arguments. Like, I can tell you how I feel, but what value does that provide? Especially given the fact that I am neither transgendered, nor an expert on transgender identity, or even an expert on childhood development and the development of identity. So it isn't just that I don't think I can get much out of such a discussion, it is also that I don't feel that I can contribute much to such a discussion.