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JuliusHackebeil on 27 June 2020
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DonFerrari said:
JuliusHackebeil said:

I do have a problem with the themes, but not at all with the violence and its realistic depiction.

If a game as story-focused as TLoU2 spends many, many hours trying to teach me a lesson that i got after the first 20 minutes, it just becomes preachy and a bore-fest. I'm not through yet, but up until now, it is by far not as smart or controversial as it thinks it is.

There are many other big story reasons I don't like the game (yet - still being a bit hopeful for them to turn it around). But I can't get into those due to spoilers. Just rest assured that ND did not at all succeed on me. In general yes, many seem to like it, but not on me.

I guess we see things differently. I didn't feel the game was preaching at all. Yes there is more LGBTQI+ representation than what you would find in average on real life, and Abby is quite dumb, and there are some parts where they talk about respecting this community and intolerance, but that is done very naturally and short.

I do follow some things that I loved but don't like as much to see how it end, but not hating, just liking it a tad less. When something just get tiring instead of enjoyable I quit.

For me a game that I would think is worthy 20h of my time seeing on YT (I hate seeing gameplay, just see short sessions of parts I have no idea what I need to do on the game) would be worthy purchasing, perhaps not full price but in that case I would also not be eager to watch on release as well.

Yeah, totally, people like to consume differently. Interesting to hear, that what I do is out of the question for you.

I just want it to be out there that I have no problems at all with TLoU2's representation of different charakters. Honestly, I think it is great that we get actiony charakters like Nadine (U4/Lost Legacy) or the one now in TLoU2 that are very muscular. It always strikes me as unbelievable when supermodels brawl 120 kg dudes.

It is actually quite good how they do representation. Because the characters stories and personalities are never confined by their sexuality, skin colour, etc. For example, the game is not at all about Ellie being a lesbian, she just happens to be one. Makes it feel so natural and normal. I really like that.

I called the game preachy because a large portion of the game revolves around a moral lesson, that is thaught with as much subtlety as any cartoon can muster. The dialogue is cringy at times (at others the writing as quite good). The pacing is awful. Some scenes seem to not connect at all. Motivation of some characters is questionable at best. How their arcs form is very unsatisfying. And so much more, that I can't say without using names and spoiling stuff. It is a in quite some parts a hot, irredeemable mess. Tonight I'll be watching the ending. I hope my opinion is swayed in a bit of a positive direction.