Hiku said:
Runa216 said:
Well hey, it's nice to see some of you dropped the facade and are just being outright ignorant and bigoted so I don't have to explain why you're being sexist pigs! you just are, it's easy to see, and I don't feel the need to elaborate!
Seriously 'women can't be strong' is one of the worst takes I've seen on this forum and I've seen some real doozies. |
You've brought up some interesting points before that may need to be addressed here. Such as if it's possible to have a proper dialogue if people are ok with accusing others of being 'sjw with a political agenda' but not being bigots for the exact same reason.
That said, when you make it sound like you are calling out someone specific in this thread for something, it's better if you specify who you're talking about, while being mindful of how you address them.
You can refer to your earlier mixup of Don and Enrico as an example of why being specific helps. Or how Mummelman, whom you seemingly referred to with the last paragraph there, doesn't think you characterized what he said properly.
Immersiveunreality said:
The sticking point for me is that this buff part of her does not look female and there are existing buffer females than Abby that are more female looking,more realistically.
But not that i care a lot about this,it would just be nice that they did a tiny bit more research in how to better represent this character,i know this is about a fictonal future but one that does have more closely realistically fragile human beings compared to other franchises.
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Well, there are also a lot of normally built women in our world who people would say don't look particularly female. Even when just considering the face.
That's actually fairly normal I'd say. Especially when they don't wear makeup.
Though Mummelman seems to be saying that this is a realistic look for a woman in that position. He's just questioning how she got there.
And regarding the research, I don't imagine most people have the same level of insight into female bodybuilding as Mummelman seems to have. If you did, where did you learn of it? Though I think he pointed out that there are women that can look as buff or buffer than Abby, but he claims they need to take extra substances. I don't know how true that statement is, but based on what I've played, it doesn't seem unreasonable that Abby did something like that.
Immersiveunreality said:
Yes i know but girls that do bodybuilding and have a manly upperbody like Abby are like 1 out of 100 maybe even rarer,mostly they still have female shaped breast on top of the musles and surely when the body has the fatpercentage abby has.
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Well think of it this way.
The game is literally about a girl that has a 1 in several billion rare body, with the only known immunity to a global pandemic.
I don't think people where particularly upset with how rare Ellie's body is.
The height of the reactions were basically 'another rare immunity trope', but that didn't seem to ruin people's enjoyment.
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Yes but immunity in itself is more common or relatable for everyone,i question Abby her upper body build more as some form of censoring by Naugthy Dog or Sony and if it is really done for that purpose then it feels hypocritical but i hope i'm wrong.
I see it as no big deal really but just interesting to think about,Abby on herself is not the baddest of characters but the pacing and writing and how the flashbacks are set up do not really support her enough imo.
Also her motivation is not backed up enough,even Ellie is suddenly out of character a few times when she brutally slaughters.
I like Nora and Mel more than the other cast that should have been more important.
Last edited by Immersiveunreality - on 27 June 2020
