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sundin13 on 24 June 2020
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vivster said:
Cyran said:

I don't have the energy to make a long post on my views on this subject but I do want to reject this notion that it purely psychological. 

When we talk about what consider feminine behavior vs masculine behavior the primary cause is not a difference between male and female brains but how human brains react to testosterone vs estrogen.  If you give a man estrogen they will start to show what people consider in society more feminine behavior.  They also plays a big role in brain development studies have found.

I say this because studies have shown that people who identify as Transgender MtF generally have a longer receptor gene for the sex hormone of testosterone which reduces it effectiveness at binding testosterone.  The research suggests that the decrees in testosterone levels in brain during development causes a more "feminized brain" which leads to identity as female vs male.

My point is that there are physicals developments of the brains that have been shown in multiple studies as the reason and it complete BS saying it about self-respect or any other way to you try to trivialize the matter by saying all they need is counseling.  I don't blame transsexual individuals in the slightest for finding it offensive suggesting that all they need is counseling just like any Gay/Lesbian would find it offensive to suggest they need counseling.

This shows that transgenderism is neither biological or psychological. It is a normal human condition that just does not fit within the completely wrong societal norms. There is absolutely no need to accommodate humans to a gender, we need to accommodate societal norms to humans rather. Gender is a human construct that has always only served to oppress and control people and it's time for it to be discontinued.

However we live in the darkest timeline. Transgender people, who were the most oppressed by society and should be fighting against the stupid superficial norms, have taken the easiest route. Instead of fighting against it, they have weaponized it for their own gains and are using it to oppress others. So we have now gone from just one oppressor to two oppressors, one of which honestly believes to be fighting for the good.

First of all, again you seem to have conflated gender identity and gender expression. Under transgender theory, the two are not dependent on each other. Just as you can be a "masculine" cis-woman and still be valid, you can be a "masculine" trans-woman and still be valid. Transgender identity is not an embrace of societal norms. It is people accepting who they are and living in the way which they would like to live, which is in many ways the core belief behind the idea of rejecting the repressive nature of gender norms. While it would be nice if society would throw away gender norms, we shouldn't demand highly vulnerable trans people martyr themselves for the cause, and even if we were to exist in that society, I don't know how that would affect gender identity. I don't think anyone does, because we don't live in that society.

Further, you also seem to have largely ignored the non-binary and genderqueer individuals within the trans community. The trans community is one of the communities most accepting of individuals who live outside binary, restrictive gender roles. They are very much fighting against these norms. It is often those outside the community who insist the only way a trans individual can and should be accepted is if they have surgery and use hormones and transition...