Xxain said:
Dante9 said:
You'd have to be blind not to see that ND's storytelling has suffered because of their agenda and the things they have to crowbar in there no matter what. Most gamers don't have a problem with minorities in games, but there's a wrong way and a right way to do these things. These characters need to be introduced organically within the story, but the story needs to be the main focus, not the individual traits of a given minority character.
Actually, the first TLOU was a good example of how to do it right. Bill happened to be gay, but we learned that naturally during the story, getting to know him like we would anyone else. Just "Oh, he's gay. Okay." It was just a part of Bill that we learned about along the way, it was not this big presentation and song and dance. It was not a selling point for the game beforehand, like "look, we have a gay here, aren't we stunning and brave?" "Buy this game, because we have gay this and trans that and whatnot." "Oh, there's a story too, but have you seen the gay?". The ironic thing is, it seems that most members of minorities would like to be represented like Bill was, rather than be the center of attention and used as a tool to lecture the gaming community with. How is that normalizing? It's not, it's virtue signaling and it just creates more resentment towards these groups that don't need any more resentment in their lives and mostly didn't ask to be used in this way. They just want to play good games like the rest of us and occasionally see characters like themselves without a huge show being made about it. Just occurring normally. These companies do this for their own benefit, make no mistake, and they don't understand they are doing more harm than good. It's just stupid.
And this thing about Neil Druckmann and his physically overpowering female characters.. It almost feels like a personal fetish of his at this point, don't you think? Like Tarantino and his foot fetish. Just saying.. :) |
Ok. This is actually the best attempt at explaining the other side in the entire thread and I agree with 90%. I would much rather a black character be written to a character in the story vs written to be the token black character in the story. The originally Walking dead series by Telltale is a excellent example.
But how fucking childish and mentality under-developed do you have to be to have a video make you resent minorities? So video games are not responsible violence, but can lead to minority resentment.
Ok. Noted.
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That's one of the factors here, there are under-developed people who have prejudices against minorities to start with, and when this kind of crap is inserted into the gaming industry, it fans the flames even more for those people. They feel like the gays are coming to mess with their games and calling them names, and it's misdirected resentment because actually it's the companies who are stirring up trouble using minorities as their icons in order to make themselves look oh so good and virtuous.
One might argue, though, that the actual starting point is the loud minority of extreme social justice activists who these companies are trying to prove their holiness to, and that's how the whole cycle begins. So maybe in a way it *is* coming from the minorities, but one has to understand that these activist do not represent most members of said minorities, they are just so loud on Twitter and such places that it seems a much larger issue than it actually is, and the companies get roped into the mess that way, trying to please everyone, which is impossible.
