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tsogud on 21 May 2020
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Moren said:
tsogud said:

@bolded: Don't put words into my mouth. I've stated numerous times how my views differs from Sanders. I don't expect Sanders to fully understand what poc go through, especially queer poc, because after all he is an old white cis man but at least he tried his level best and his policies were the most universal in the whole primary and helped the most vulnerable. I would've voted for Warren if she was the nominee, despite her ignorance regarding my people, because at least she was competent and could be swayed left more easily because she's not stubborn like Biden.

Also don't tone police me, if it's my truth and if it's the truth of most poc then I will speak about it and raise awareness. You sure as hell aren't. I'm not a moral arbiter and I don't pretend to be but if you think so that's you convicting your own self. That's says more about you then it does me and maybe you need to reevaluate your ideals and stance but honestly that's none of my business and I won't speak on it further.

And weren't you the one in this thread that said they'd not vote for Bernie if he was the nominee?? I could be wrong but it was said and I think it was you. In any case that's irrelevant now.

I'm not looking for a white savior or savior of any kind, I'm looking for someone who will fight for the people even when the weight and pressure of the rich and powerful are against them. It doesn't start and end with the presidency but the people would've had major pull if the president is on their side instead of the wealthy and well-connected.

I personally like Obama and thought his presidency for the most part was well handled but you can't just close your eyes and pretend he didn't have innocent blood on his hands. Not to mention cruel border control policies and infrastructure put in place by his administration. You can put your rose-colored glasses on because you have that privilege but for the people who were directly affected there's no difference in the cruelty being perpetuated whether it's by a Democrat or Republican.

I want a progressive woc like Nina Turner as his VP but I'll settle for Warren though. I'm closely looking at his VP choice to see if he really is trying to adopt a more populist platform and administration.

I'd really appreciate it if that in the future for you to stop with the personal attacks and just focus on the topic at hand. It's for everybody's benefit when discussing topics as personal as politics. 

Again, talking as if you held the universal truth. Your truth is not the truth of most POC as the primary results showed.

Here. I said it numerous times, even when it seemed Bernie was going to be the nominee:

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9110596

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9102135

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9090699

Whatever mistakes Obama had, his administration was in many respects a lot of steps forward. The scope of the damage Trump has done is not in the same ballpark. Trump has gone after the LGBT community, refugees, DACA recipients, schools and it's all been a major regression. And don't accuse me of having some kind of abstract privilege just because I actually am pragmatic.

I'm all for a left-leaning VP like Warren, but populism is the worst cancer, and I'm glad we stopped it and we'll finally destroy it this November.

Being a centrist or moderate doesn't make you pragmatic whatsoever. How you go about your policies and implementing them whether your a populist, centrist, leftist, liberal, or conservative makes you pragmatic. Shunning a whole group of voters, actively encouraging toxic rhetoric and shaming, and being divisive like you continue to do isn't pragmatism either. Obviously you have some kind of personal vendetta against populism for some reason, which is incredibly odd and not rational or pragmatic.

The fact of the matter is that most Americans and an overwhelming majority of Democrats believe we should have universal single payer healthcare, with M4A specifically being the most popular plan, yet we have Biden as the nominee. Clearly it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Politics is complicated and why someone votes the way they do or not vote at all varies. There are many factors at play but populism isn't dead, that's a foolish thing to insinuate, it's alive and thriving and will continue to thrive past this election and the next.

Most POC haven't voted yet and most won't vote at all in this primary, so having the primary results be the determinate of our truth is disingenuous and factually incorrect. Just listen when a fellow human speaks their piece on how to improve their lives. I guarantee you that you won't find "balancing the deficit" or making sure the executives and CEOs of the oil and healthcare industry are well taken of in their truths.

Being privileged ain't a bad thing, what you do with your privilege makes all the difference. Are you gonna shut the door behind you? Or are you gonna help the most vulnerable? Are you gonna push your candidate to adopt inclusive, universal policies or are you gonna hurl insults and vote shame poor people to vote for another rich and powerful person who they know don't really care?

Last edited by tsogud - on 21 May 2020