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sundin13 on 16 March 2020
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SpokenTruth said:
sundin13 said:

Alright, I think I jumped to the wrong conclusion, because what now seems to be the right conclusion just doesn't make any sense to me. To make sure we are on the same page, are you saying that Biden's steps to the left yesterday are the last steps that he is going to take? If so, you are going to have to defend that perspective.

When the most recent data we have shows Biden basically treating Bernie's policies the same way he has in every debate and simultaneously moving to the left, I don't understand why you would make the assumption that this means that he will not move any further left. You may be right, but I don't think that is what the data shows.

Biden has a very long history of only moving left when everything else is moving left too.  He has no incentive to move further left against his own policy and tradition.  Especially if we move to him, he has no more motivation to move to us.

You don't think those changes last night were anything other than tying to get Warren's endorsement and potential VP pick?  Why the hell wait until now to add a progressive policy?  That's some last minute pandering.  Don't get me wrong, nobody is saying it's not good he's doing it.  The criticism isn't the policy but the motivation behind it. It's not genuine. It's token. It's a bread crumb.  It's a "here's your progressive policy, now shut up and support me."

And here's the great thing.  If I'm wrong, GREAT.  If he by some miracle enacts even more progressive polices, fantastic.  I'll stew in my absolute wrongness of Biden doubt while we all live a better life.  But if I'm right...and Biden has given no indication now or in the past that I'm not...then we get either 4 more years of Trump (most likely outcome) or 4 new years of democratic status quo.

First of all, I again disagree with the premise that there is no way to influence a politician after election. That is false, especially when both reelection and midterms are both a thing.

Second, I don't know what it is about everyone suddenly forgetting how the country has been for decades, but Biden's entire platform is pretty dang far to the left compared to virtually every president ever. While Biden is unlikely to be the furthest left of all the democrats, acting like his platform is basically a Republican platform is blatantly false. If his platform were put in place, the country would move significantly to the left.

But even assuming that you were 100% right and he is just a status quo candidate, thats fine. Compared to Trump, I would take that any day. Compared to a border wall and this disaster of a pandemic response and a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court? Give me the democratic status quo! I will happily accept! There is no loss here. If you vote for Biden in the general, the scenario that all the Bernie or Bust guys seem to fear, is still a win.