SpokenTruth said:
sundin13 said:
At this point it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the Primary. It's as good as in the past. We could complain about those damned Biden fans all day, but it won't change anything. Biden is the candidate. You ask about the easier path, but have you seen the odds for Bernie? He doesn't have a path anymore. It isn't easy to get leftist policies in the White House when he has already lost. So how do we move forward from here?
Again, progressives showing up is a good start. You complain that Biden isn't moving to the left anymore, but I can only assume you haven't really been paying attention. In the debate yesterday, Biden pledged to not deport anyone who hasn't been convicted of a felony. That is a pretty big step to the left. And before the debate (and as discussed during the debate), Biden just supported Warren's bankruptcy bill. Another step to the left.
Does that mean Biden is suddenly going to support M4A? Of course not, but what Bernie supporters often seem to miss, is that this isn't a binary choice. It isn't either M4A or the destruction of life as we know it. Biden's healthcare plan is already pretty far left compared to what we've been seeing for the past couple decades. If this was 2015, we would be saying that this was a pretty huge jump. The reason that happened is largely because Bernie succeeded in pushing the party. The fact that this is where the center lies shows just how impactful progressives can be even when they aren't holding the presidency.
And again, the input of the people doesn't stop as soon as someone gets elected, unless the people let it. However, if Biden doesn't get elected we are effectively preventing ourselves from being able to influence the politics of this country for four more years.
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If you're going to accuse me of not campaign attention, please don't display it yourself when quoting someone.
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Alright, I think I jumped to the wrong conclusion, because what now seems to be the right conclusion just doesn't make any sense to me. To make sure we are on the same page, are you saying that Biden's steps to the left yesterday are the last steps that he is going to take? If so, you are going to have to defend that perspective.
When the most recent data we have shows Biden basically treating Bernie's policies the same way he has in every debate and simultaneously moving to the left, I don't understand why you would make the assumption that this means that he will not move any further left. You may be right, but I don't think that is what the data shows.
