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sundin13 on 12 March 2020
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Eagle367 said:
sundin13 said:

Let me repeat what you just said: You aren't sold that Biden beats Trump in sincerity and trustworthiness.

What?

That comparison is just so inherently ludicrous. Yes, Biden has had a long political career with some questionable decisions, but while I see some reason to doubt that he would be a significant step forward, I see no reason to assume he would be a step backwards. Four more years of Trump is just so incredibly and inherently damaging. Like, those four years could easily turn into a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court. As you are clearly pro-choice, to even compare a Biden presidency to a Trump presidency seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

While I support Bernie as my primary candidate, I will vote for Biden in an instant if he is the candidate. To suggest that four years of Trump would be better because we could deal with it in 2024 seems to me to be coming from a point of privilege (as you said to gergroy). While four more years of Trump may or may not impact you personally in a great way, all the people who are suffering under him and his choices may not have the luxury of just waiting it out for another four years for a shot at a better candidate.

The way I see it. Biden is like poisoning the US over many years. A slow death. Trump is like a stab to the gut. Still slow, but not nearly as much. Biden is better than Trump but he'll continue the decline of the US. In the end, Americans will choose whether they want to heal or die in different ways. The Empire can't behave like an empire anymore and the hegemony is over. Now you can be like the Romans who died out or the English who made UK better than it was as an empire.

How is slowly moving to the left "poisoning"?

Biden's healthcare plan is more progressive than what we have now. Basically all of his plans are. While there may be some imperative to getting to our end goal more quickly, why not choose the candidate that will at least give us a bit of a head start instead of sprinting in the opposite direction?

The way to help usher Bernie's Revolution forward is by bringing people into the system and encouraging people who don't vote to start voting. All of this Bernie or Bust talk is just pushing us in the opposite direction. It shows in how the voters reacted to Bernie this time around. He lost ground in a lot of areas, and his young demographic simply did not show up. Trump isn't pushing us closer to a revolution. All he is doing is dragging us away from that destination. The fact that any Sanders supporter can act so blind to the damage that is being done still just baffles me. If you truly support Bernie's ideas, vote for Biden in the general.