Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

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DarthMetalliCube said:

LurkerJ said:
Well I guess now the Bernie dream is over now. Andrew Yang ednorsement means jackshit. I don't get the logic behind endorsing a candidate who opposes everything you stand for. What good did it do Bernie to campaign tirelessly for a war loving monster? Biden vs Trump, same coin, different sides. I hope Bernie retires peacefully and not support Biden the way he supported Hillary. Endorse and move on.

Bernie should have started a major third party in this country. If anyone could have pulled it off, he could have. Instead, he's going to capitulate to the Neolib/Neocon establishment YET AGAIN and then try and shame his supporters into voting for Biden (of which 70% will say thanks but no thanks). Then Trump's going to inevitably win because of all the young people and PoC staying at home on election day, and the Democrats are again going to blame the "Toxic Bernie Bros" for his victory, while having zero introspection whatsoever. I already know how this freaking plays out. It's predictable at this point. So if they're going to point the finger at these people anyway, they might as well split off.

If Bernie spearheaded, say, the new Labor or Social Democrats of the US, joining with the likes of Kucinich, Tulsi, Gravel, Nina, AOC, Andrew Yang, Williamson, etc.. I really think he and they would have brought MILLIONS with him. It's already known that roughly a third of this country identifies as neither Democrat OR Republican but "Independent." I really feel like many of these people are looking for a political home, and neither the GOP or DNC can quite provide it. I know this is increasingly the case with me, especially over the last 5-6 years. 

But no, instead the Democrats continue to shift increasingly to the right and Authoritarian, whilst trying to pull their actual left wing supporters with them.. Then shaming them into voting for their manufactured corporatist centrist candidate, when the FARTHER right candidate on the Republican side inevitably wins the election, and the cycle will repeat..

In a country as vast, populated, and diverse as America, with well over 320 MILLION people, it's absurd to me that we continue to peddle this failing duopoly of just 2 major political parties, and try to gather everyone into these 2 massive umbrellas. If the Brits can pull off 3, so can we! And the Dems have made it abundantly clear at this point that they have NO room or love for actual progressives, shaming them as being "divisive," "toxic," or "secret Russians" or some other bullshit. I say it's time the people on the left start to take the message and split off from these centrists. 

But again.. if Bernie doesn't do it, it will happen with someone else, rest assured. And maybe sooner than we think.

I just need to read the bolded part and can stop already.

Do you understand how politics in the US work? Creating another party would split the democratic vote and ensure that the republicans would win any following election, even if they would only get about 40% of the votes due to winner takes all. Starting a new party would have killed the democratic party.

He could have done so without the winner takes all system. In fact, I'm sure he would have then (and many others too, for that matter), but the way politics work in the US, that would just be delivering the victory to the enemy on a silver platter.