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OTBWY said:
Echoes are the problem. They should have not included Lucina or Chrom.

And them not being there would improve things... how?

mZuzek said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Or at least make them more unique. Lucina is just lady Marth and Chrom is just Roy with Ike's Up Special.

I wish.

Chrom is Roy with Marth's range, Marth's tipper killpower, and a much, much, much, much better version of Ike's up special that deals a whopping 26% damage (TWENTY-SIX PERCENT) and can kill opponents at 0% even when they're onstage sometimes.

Lucina is also dumb, but not Chrom level dumb.

Yeah but... no?  Marth's tip Fsmash will kill from the center of FD at 70.  Chrom's won't until 90.  His power is like slightly above average.  Up B is a nice OOS option, but mediocre at best for recovery.  And unlike Ike, he doesn't have a horizontal recovery move, so his recovery options are very limited.  For every time that you get a weird gimp kill with it, there's probably at least ten times that you die because of your linear recovery.  Neither Chrom or Lucina has been placing especially well at tournaments, and most top players consider them high tier at best.  Can't see anything that destroys the balance of the game from them.