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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

You want a more equal society, yet you're ok with teaching kids growing up, that it's ok if not great to use their capabilities and the school system to do better for themselves in comparison to others?

Then once they're done school, you want to teach them that was all B.S, and that they aren't any better than anyone else, and need to blend in or pay the price to others for trying to be better than them?

Ah, reaching then.  Because not only is that irrelevant to the original discussion (it's damn near a non-sequitur) it's also a horrible mischaracterization of my stance on who is a valid member and contributor of a society.

Do you intentionally reach for these hot takes?

SpokenTruth said:
Baalzamon said:
I keep seeing Europe and mention of their free schooling as justification for the current suggestion of just forgiving all these student loans.

You are comparing a process that is already in place, and everybody has the process to now take advantage of...to a process that only impacts the people who made worse decisions.

I know we have already had this discussion, but what exactly happens to the people who made shitty decisions, and just get all of that debt forgiven? What sort of life lesson does that teach them?

That our hyper-capitalistic society that profits from debt is failing us and that it celebrates profit generation over education.


"Hey, let's all get educated for the betterment of society but only if you can afford it.  If you can't afford it, you can't help further our progress."

Are we just going to ignore the fact that K-12 is already socialized?  I'd really love to hear 1 solid reason why it should end there. 

"Hey, let's all get unequally educated, because the system is 'flawed' and people are different. If you can't get good grades, you can't have a better life."

Kinda sounds like evil capitalist reasoning that sticks with kids as they become adults...

Can't wait for classes where the smart kids are ignored so the less intelligent kids can have all the one on one time. I'm sure after 10-12 years of that, and after generations, those kids are going to have the collective brains and drive to truly change the world.